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bkbjones Fri Jul 13, 2007 02:50am

For the HP umpire in US v. Venezuela
 
Por favor no llame más lanzamientos ilegales.

Gracias.

azbigdawg Fri Jul 13, 2007 03:19am

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Originally Posted by bkbjones
Por favor no llame más lanzamientos ilegales.

Gracias.


How many did she call?

bkbjones Fri Jul 13, 2007 03:52am

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Originally Posted by azbigdawg
How many did she call?

As Keith Olbermann would say, dos cienes y seis.

I dunno for sure, but it was too damned many.

3afan Fri Jul 13, 2007 06:06am

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Originally Posted by bkbjones
Por favor no llame más lanzamientos ilegales.

Gracias.

translate please

NCASAUmp Fri Jul 13, 2007 07:17am

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Originally Posted by bkbjones
Por favor no llame más lanzamientos ilegales.

Gracias.

Please don't keep calling illegal pitches.

My wife is from Argentina (and no, she didn't help me with the translation). ;)

CecilOne Fri Jul 13, 2007 08:01am

1) I didn't like the over-demonstrative third strike calls.
2) A BU seemed much too close to 2nd on some CF camera shots. Was that the case or was it just camera angle. If so, is that an ISF mechanic?

Dakota Fri Jul 13, 2007 09:50am

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Originally Posted by bkbjones
Por favor no llame más lanzamientos ilegales.

Gracias.

Naturally, I assumed these were against our pitchers, but no... from the writeup ...
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Jessica Mendoza (Camarillo, Calif.) started a two out rally with a double to center field. Crystl Bustos (Canyon Country, Calif.) was intentionally walked and both players advanced when Venezuela starter Mariangee Bogado was called for an illegal pitch. Tairia Flowers (Tucson, Ariz.), who was named MVP just a week ago at the Canada Cup, came through with a single up the middle that plated both runners for a 2-1 lead.

In the bottom of the second inning Lauren Lappin (Anaheim, Calif.) led off with a single, advanced to second on an error by the pitcher and then on to third on an illegal pitch. A sacrifice fly by Laura Berg (Santa Fe Springs, Calif.) scored Lappin for the third run of the game but the U.S. offense was just getting started.

Natasha Watley (Irvine, Calif.) followed with a triple to left field and scored on the third illegal pitch of the game. Vicky Galindo (Union City, Calif.) kept the offensive attack going with a bunt single but the hit of the game came from Bustos who launched a home run that one hopped the 300 foot fence at Hall of Fame Stadium.
Yikes! Were these all called by the PU? What were the violations?

Look out when Cat pitches! She'd better keep control of her leaping! (I haven't looked at the roster... is she on the team?)

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:30am

I only caught the last inning and Hollowell was nailed by PU on first pitch. US pitchers need to remember in international play there is no "touch and go" or quick touch. The requirement is two seconds and it is called.

Steve M Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:39am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
I only caught the last inning and Hollowell was nailed by PU on first pitch. US pitchers need to remember in international play there is no "touch and go" or quick touch. The requirement is two seconds and it is called.

That was the only one I saw too. You could almost hear PU talking to F2 - at least that's what I think I was hearing.

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:48am

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Originally Posted by Steve M
That was the only one I saw too. You could almost hear PU talking to F2 - at least that's what I think I was hearing.

Yep, heard that, too. The umpire may be wired for sound, but that would be awfully risky keeping that mike open. Maybe it is an area mike at the backstop that was picking that up.

AtlUmpSteve Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:55am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
Yep, heard that, too. The umpire may be wired for sound, but that would be awfully risky keeping that mike open. Maybe it is an area mike at the backstop that was picking that up.

Yes, Dora was wired. You could see the remote behind her back at her belt.

I didn't see the early illegal pitches, either, but it sounded from the talking heads like the early ones had all been for pause violations, too.

Skahtboi Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:14pm

Every IP that I saw that Dora called was for the two second violation. and I watched most of the game.

charliej47 Fri Jul 13, 2007 01:51pm

:D They were using a 2 second stop as a minimum for the pause before delivering. If the pitcher went more than 10 seconds it was an IP also. I did not like the mechanics for the ISF, but thats what they were told to use. I watched it for four innings and did not like the mechanics of any of the umpires.

3afan Fri Jul 13, 2007 02:27pm

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Originally Posted by CecilOne
1) I didn't like the over-demonstrative third strike calls.

agree - they look silly

bkbjones Fri Jul 13, 2007 02:59pm

Every one of the IP calls were for failure to pause a minimum of two seconds after receiving the sign (or simulate receiving the sign) while on the pitcher's plate.

Dora was wired for sound. At no time did I hear any Latino swear words, and I am pretty sure I know them all (and have used them at some point in time). In fact, a smile crosses my face as I convinced my nephew to order a three-word specialty dish, the last two words of which were "tu madre." I thought this Hispanic waiter was going to caca he was laffing so hard.

Anyway...the microphone experience was much better than the IP experience.

Meanwhile, a highly placed source informs me that umpires were instructed to be "big and demonstrative" on 3K, sell safe and sell outs. Know this: because of the way the technology works, your television picture (even if you have the latest high def) is somewhat compact, and to make something look big and demonstrative on your TV it is REALLY big and demonstrative in person.

Ed Maeder Fri Jul 13, 2007 03:12pm

I thought that the wired for sound was too invasive. They listened in on some umpire to umpire conversations that the umpires probably wish they wouldn't have. The plate umpire went and asked the third base umpire about how ISF dealt with an intentional walk. Then later in the game the plate umpire went and asked the first base umpire if she had signaled on a ground ball that went over the base. The first base umpire said no that is your call. I'm still wondering what all four umpires got together for after the first home run. Also in ISF the pause is 2 to 5 seconds. It used to be 1 to 10 like ASA, but they thought the 1 second was too quick and being taken advantage of. Also the talking heads were up to their normal ignorance of the game. After a steal of second base with a check swing by the batter the Plate umpire went to her partner on a check swing and the announcer said they were checking to see if the runner left first early.

Skahtboi Fri Jul 13, 2007 03:13pm

Personally, I don't see what the problem is with the 3K call. Looked pretty standard (for higher level ball) to me.

IamMatt Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:13pm

I was only half-watching but on the second IP, I did hear the PU's mike pick up "dos segundos." Looked like she was talking to the pitcher but I am not sure.

Dutch Alex Sat Jul 14, 2007 05:21am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
I only caught the last inning and Hollowell was nailed by PU on first pitch. US pitchers need to remember in international play there is no "touch and go" or quick touch. The requirement is two seconds and it is called.

Question:
The pitchers playing in US national team are often invited to this national team? I.o.w. they weren't fresh-ones, first time in the team?

If answer is: "YES"
In my knownedge the US-national team is ALWAYS playing by the ISF-rules, just as all other national teams. So in my view there's no excuss for the pitcher not taking two sec's before the pitch. And now PU has no other choise than call the IP... (over and over again)

I've watched the <19 USA-team playing (and winning) the World Championships in Enschede (Netherlands). Even the juniors were taking the two sec's...

IRISHMAFIA Sun Jul 15, 2007 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by Dutch Alex
Question:
The pitchers playing in US national team are often invited to this national team? I.o.w. they weren't fresh-ones, first time in the team?

Many have just finished their college season and/or are still playing in the pro league which basically uses NCAA rules. So, playing under ISF-rules is not always a player's primary game.

Bandit Mon Jul 16, 2007 09:26am

Who is there?
 
Does anyone know who is there among the american umpires or who the UIC of the games are?

Rachel Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:19am

Dora Martinez - TX
Christie Cornwall - NC ( she did the plate on the US - Japan game )
Bryan Smith - ?

These are the ones I know are from the US

UMP 64 Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:34am

HP umpires
 
:confused: I guess I have been doing baseball for too many years. I have a hard time with the HPU doing the double wide, contortionist spread that requires 2 added steps to stand up, along with the HHAAAAEEEEEEEEE "strike" sound. Guess that is why I will never be on TV?

Dakota Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:36am

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Originally Posted by UMP 64
Guess that is why I will never be on TV?

Your looks might have something to do with it, to. :D

UMP 64 Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:28am

HP Ump
 
:rolleyes: Could be, could be?

SRW Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:35am

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Originally Posted by Bandit
Does anyone know who is there among the american umpires or who the UIC of the games are?

The news release about the umps in the World Cup

AtlUmpSteve Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:35am

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Originally Posted by Bandit
Does anyone know who is there among the american umpires or who the UIC of the games are?


Christie Cornwell of Greensboro, N.C
Christina Drumm of Oceanside, Calif
Matt Dunbar of Miami, Fla
Jim Gibillisco of Lemon Grove, Calif
Dora Martinez of San Antonio, Texas
Bryan Smith of Lansing, Mich

Julie Johnson of Alexandria, Ind., is the Umpire-In-Chief.

scottk_61 Mon Jul 16, 2007 06:27pm

I had the priveldge of attending the ISF camp with Dora when we qualified a few years ago. I can tell you now, If she called anything, it was there. If she made the big 3K signal, she was told to.
Dora, without a doubt is one of the absolute best umpires I have had the opportunity to work with.
Matt Dunbar is also a friend that I am glad to have worked with and had the opportunity to get to khow over the years.

I say, if you want to learn a few things that will take you further, watch them and learn what you can.

Rachel Mon Jul 16, 2007 06:33pm

I sent this link to Dora. Yes, she is awesome. All female crew tonight, Dora at the plate. I am so looking forward to this.

NDblue Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:58am

Who was the goofball behind the plate in the USA vs. Canada game? That's got to be the most uncomfortable stance I've ever seen. He looked like he was going to fall down when he stood back up. He also did his "strike" mechanic from the squat. Looked like a doofus to me.

bkbjones Tue Jul 17, 2007 01:01am

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Originally Posted by NDblue
Who was the goofball behind the plate in the USA vs. Canada game? That's got to be the most uncomfortable stance I've ever seen. He looked like he was going to fall down when he stood back up. He also did his "strike" mechanic from the squat. Looked like a doofus to me.

I can assure you Bryan is NOT a doofus. This was his second term in the ASA Hall of Fame Stadium in about six weeks' time, so before I called anyone a doofus or questioned their mechanics...

NDblue Tue Jul 17, 2007 01:09am

I call 'em like I see 'em. I've seen better mechanics from first year umpires.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jul 17, 2007 05:56am

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Originally Posted by NDblue
I call 'em like I see 'em. I've seen better mechanics from first year umpires.

Though I've never met the man, his reputation is that of a pretty good umpire. I've seen him a few times and he seems to utilize the extra wide stance. As long as he can get out of the way of the catcher when necessary, I don't have a problem with it.

SoCalU Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by NDblue
I call 'em like I see 'em. I've seen better mechanics from first year umpires.

Obviously sir, your opinion is uneducated and insignificant. I am sure Bryan will continue to enjoy his NCAA, WCWS and International assignments. Hopefully you will continue to enjoy your ND and SD assignments.

NDblue Tue Jul 17, 2007 06:54pm

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Originally Posted by SoCalU
Obviously sir, your opinion is uneducated and insignificant. I am sure Bryan will continue to enjoy his NCAA, WCWS and International assignments. Hopefully you will continue to enjoy your ND and SD assignments.

It may be insignificant but uneducated it is not and you also can't take it away from me since it's mine. :D

SoCalU Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:18am

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Originally Posted by NDblue
It may be insignificant but uneducated it is not and you also can't take it away from me since it's mine. :D

Your slowpitch helps you form an opinion that allows you to critique and bash? And this makes it educated? Glad you admit it's insignificance

As far as your opinion, your right......you deserve it...feel free to keep it.

tcblue13 Wed Jul 18, 2007 03:21pm

Education??
 
Your slowpitch helps you form an opinion that allows you to critique and bash?
I see major structural problems with this statement as well as terrible grammar.

And this makes it educated?
This is an independent clause but it is not an interrogative sentence; remove the conjunction.

Glad you admit it's insignificance
This is not a sentence
"It's" is only a contraction when it is contracting "it is." It's not supposed to have the apostrophe when it's used as a possessive.

As far as your opinion, your right......you deserve it...feel free to keep it.
"Your right," should be "you're right." "You're is a contraction of "you are."
"You deserve it" and "Feel free to keep it." are complete sentences and all sentences should begin with a capital letter.
An ellipsis is only three consecutive periods, not six.

This is not a personal attack as we do not resort to that on this board. We discuss rules, judgments and opinions; we do not discuss each other. I would appreciate it if you would not resort to personal attacks and would simply discuss the subject matter. I think you would find something like, "I don't agree," better than, "Obviously sir, your opinion is uneducated and insignificant. I am sure Bryan will continue to enjoy his NCAA, WCWS and International assignments. Hopefully you will continue to enjoy your ND and SD assignments." I know the rest of us would. Thanks for the time you spent with us on this board. I hope that it was helpful to you.

SoCalU Wed Jul 18, 2007 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by tcblue13
Your slowpitch helps you form an opinion that allows you to critique and bash?
I see major structural problems with this statement as well as terrible grammar.

And this makes it educated?
This is an independent clause but it is not an interrogative sentence; remove the conjunction.

Glad you admit it's insignificance
This is not a sentence
"It's" is only a contraction when it is contracting "it is." It's not supposed to have the apostrophe when it's used as a possessive.

As far as your opinion, your right......you deserve it...feel free to keep it.
"Your right," should be "you're right." "You're is a contraction of "you are."
"You deserve it" and "Feel free to keep it." are complete sentences and all sentences should begin with a capital letter.
An ellipsis is only three consecutive periods, not six.

This is not a personal attack as we do not resort to that on this board. We discuss rules, judgments and opinions; we do not discuss each other. I would appreciate it if you would not resort to personal attacks and would simply discuss the subject matter. I think you would find something like, "I don't agree," better than, "Obviously sir, your opinion is uneducated and insignificant. I am sure Bryan will continue to enjoy his NCAA, WCWS and International assignments. Hopefully you will continue to enjoy your ND and SD assignments." I know the rest of us would. Thanks for the time you spent with us on this board. I hope that it was helpful to you.

The message trumps the words, and defended a personal attack. I wasn't the 1 calling some 1 a "doofus". Your hubris was ill directed.

bkbjones Wed Jul 18, 2007 05:52pm

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Originally Posted by tcblue13
An ellipsis is only three consecutive periods, not six.

As someone who grew up around lead, hot type and Linotype machines, I must point out that you are wrong. An elipsis is NOT three periods, although I supsed that is the way it is done in most (but not all) computerized fonts and typefaces today. If you look around a little, you will find there are specific commands for a true ellipsis.

For those of us beholden to the way things should be done (kind of like polishing our shoes before we go out to do a very low level co-ed rec game) there are things like that ellipsis — just like I just typed alt+0151 (on the numeric keypad) for that dash, NOT two hyphens.

So, before you go bashing someone, know of whence you speak. It was some philosopher, Sophocles or Shakespeare or P. Diddy,who said something to the effect that a fool is not known until he opens his mouth.

tcblue13 Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:57pm

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Originally Posted by SoCalU
The message trumps the words, and defended a personal attack. I wasn't the 1 calling some 1 a "doofus". Your hubris was ill directed.

Why did you change it. I like Pompous better.

tcblue13 Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:10pm

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Originally Posted by bkbjones
As someone who grew up around lead, hot type and Linotype machines, I must point out that you are wrong. An elipsis is NOT three periods, although I supsed that is the way it is done in most (but not all) computerized fonts and typefaces today. If you look around a little, you will find there are specific commands for a true ellipsis.

For those of us beholden to the way things should be done (kind of like polishing our shoes before we go out to do a very low level co-ed rec game) there are things like that ellipsis — just like I just typed alt+0151 (on the numeric keypad) for that dash, NOT two hyphens.

So, before you go bashing someone, know of whence you speak. It was some philosopher, Sophocles or Shakespeare or P. Diddy,who said something to the effect that a fool is not known until he opens his mouth.

I stand corrected. Fortunately I know of which philospher you speak so we can help each other. It is King Solomon who wrote, "Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent." Proverbs 17:28

Again, I certainly was not trying to bash anyone. It is not my way. I was merely showing the poster that none of us is perfect and that a little civility will go a long way. Thanks for the printer's lesson. I wish that my college prof was still living so I could share with him about the ellipsis.

FYI space hyphen space will create a dash in Word once a space is typed following the word that succeeds the dash.
Thanks BKB. I do appreciate you.:)

NDblue Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:43pm

I don't think I called the guy a doofus or dufuss, I said he "looked like a doofus". I did call him a goofball though and I apologize. BTW, FYI I do more than SP softball.

SoCalU Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:02am

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Originally Posted by tcblue13
Why did you change it. I like Pompous better.

It was to civil.

bkbjones Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:35am

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Originally Posted by tcblue13
It is King Solomon who wrote, "Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent." Proverbs 17:28

Yep, I knew it was in there somewhere.
BTW, if you run across the path of a big fella named Jeff Watts, tell him Brooks said hello. He'll know who ya mean. :)


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