Make the call

oppool · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 07, 2002, 04:06pm

Ok here is a play just to keep you all on your toes during the off-season wouldnt want you guys to get rusty...

R1 on 3rd, R2 on 1st no outs B3 hits a fly ball to shallow center field F8 makes the catch then intentionaly drops it hoping to get a double play. R1 and R2 are 10'ft off there bag and begin advancing when they see F8 drop the ball. F8 throws into F6 standing on 2nd R2 goes to the dugout F6 throws to F3 who is standing on 1st but the throw is late and BR has already ran through. R1 has crossed home..(SP game) PU calls time. Ball is thrown back to the pitcher and F2 says to the ump he want to appeal R1 for leaving early.

What's the Call???

Have fun

Don

SamNVa · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 07, 2002, 05:10pm

Ain't gonna fly with me. F8 can't intentionally (by rule) drop a fly ball, so if it "fell" out of his glove, it must have been "unintentional". Appeal denied.

JMO,
SamC

Gulf Coast Blue · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 07, 2002, 05:30pm

Gotta see it......but I am with Sammo........BTW.....good to see ya' Stranger

....

F8 cannot intentionally drop a ball..........(Well.......he can......but it has no effect according to ASA 8-2-J.

Run counts.......no appeal allowed.....

Joel

[Edited by Gulf Coast Blue on Jan 7th, 2002 at 04:32 PM]

ntxblue · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 07, 2002, 06:12pm

Definitely a HTBT play...but..."F8 makes the catch" even though he "intentionaly drops it". Does this constitute a "willful release" of the ball and therefore a catch?

I'd probably follow in line with Joel & Sam, but it sure would be fun to watch!!

Gulf Coast Blue · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 07, 2002, 06:18pm

ntxblue.............

"In my Judgement.........it was NOT a voluntary release of the ball".........grin

A play like this sets off my CSFP detector.........I like Sam's approach........Not on MY watch

Joel

whiskers_ump · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 07, 2002, 09:28pm

You can't intentionally drop a fly and everyone knows
that "superjock" has never missed, agree NOT voluntary
release.... Joel, package will [should] be sent out
tomorrow

glen

IRISHMAFIA · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 08, 2002, 07:52am

The rule concerning an intentionally dropped ball applies only to infielders, so scratch it for this play.

If F8 is ruled to have caught the ball, that is out one. If the throw to 1B is judged by the umpire as an appeal by the defense (and I would want to see something to indicate that was the cause of the throw), that would be out two. The appeal to 3B is out three.

If no appeal is ruled at 1B, and if R2 hasn't left playable territory by the time the defense is ready to continue play, I will stop everything and put the runner back on 1B. However, odds are s/he will have entered dead-ball territory and the inning is over.

Elaine "Lady Blue" · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 08, 2002, 02:14pm

Ok Mike, I'll bite--

What is all those intials after your name? I know DUIC is
Deputy Umpire In Chief, but what are the others, please?

bluezebra · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 08, 2002, 03:15pm

Elaine:

NASO is the National Association of Sports Officials. They're the ones who publish REFEREE magazine. No special deal here. All you have to do is pay your dues.

Bob

SamNVa · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 08, 2002, 03:39pm

Elaine,

And I would guess that DASA stands for Deleware ASA since Mike lives in Delaware. ô¿~

SamC

oppool · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 08, 2002, 04:00pm

I have to say when I thought up the play my answer to the question was closest to Mike's. Caught ball and of course an outfielder cant intentionally drop by rule so voluntary release (1 out) R2 going in the dugout (2 outs) and proper appeal by an infielder on R1 (3rd out) lets go to the next half inning the reason I probably wouldnt agree with some is of the PU did his job and verbalized the out on the catch than it is the team and coach responibilty to tell his runners to hold or advance not mine as the umpire if they dont know better they will real soon after the triple play

JMHO

Don

Elaine "Lady Blue" · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 08, 2002, 05:30pm

Thanks Sam and Bluezebra,

I guess that makes me a MAASA Umpire (Metro Atlanta ASA),
& I don't care for Referee magazine, so no NASO for me.

Call me MAASA,

LOL, nothing racial intended, just
a pun on the initials. Just like my
last name is Manross, and I've had
letters addressed to me as 'Mansass'

[Edited by Elaine "Lady Blue" on Jan 10th, 2002 at 11:04 AM]

SamNVa · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 09, 2002, 08:30am

Quote:

Originally posted by Elaine "Lady Blue"

Call me MAASA,

Elaine,

I'm not too sure I'd be saying that too loudly down there in Atlanta.

SamC

SamNVa · #14 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 09, 2002, 08:38am

Don,

I guess my CSFP sensibilities are too offended by the possibility of the defense getting 3 outs on a routine fly ball that I would be inclined to rule "no catch" on the drop. Of course that would all depend upon how obvious the catch and drop was. If it were truly an obvious catch followed by an intentional drop, then as PU (and probably as BU too), I would be bellowing "That's a catch! Batter's out!" loudly enough to scare the runner's back to their bases.

SamC

Casey · #15 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 09, 2002, 01:25pm

The original post states F8 'intentionally' dropped the ball. Would you not think this to be a 'travesty of the game?' Would it be smart to kill everything, award an out on the catch by F8, return the runners to base at time of pitch? To carry this further, if BLUE could rule the 'travesty' was intentional to prevent the runners from advancing, could BLUE award each runner the base or bases they might have reached? Just sumthin' to think about!