A BOO from the ASA Adv. FP Camp

[SRW]

A good one for discussion. Seemed easy to me, but not to others.

Speaking ASA:
B1 is supposed to bat, but B2 bats and gets a single. B1 then comes to bat and takes strike 1. DEF appeals BOO.

What next? Any outs, who bats, what count, etc.?

[MNBlue]

Put B3 in the box with a 0-1 count, no additional outs.

[bellnier]

If I get this wrong feel free to make fun of old coach...

Let's see...

...if the BOO is corrected while wrong batter is still at bat, rule is designed such that offensive team will correct their mistake w/o penalty...

...if error is caught after this batter finishes at bat, but before next batter takes a legal pitch, rule is designed to punish offensive team (tsk, tsk) and reward defense...

...if mistake is caught after original BOO, AND after a legal pitch is delivered to next batter, then rule is designed to neither reward nor punsih either team...this is the OP...so my answer is that nothing happens, game continues as is.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by bellnier

If I get this wrong feel free to make fun of old coach...

Let's see...

...if the BOO is corrected while wrong batter is still at bat, rule is designed such that offensive team will correct their mistake w/o penalty...

...if error is caught after this batter finishes at bat, but before next batter takes a legal pitch, rule is designed to punish offensive team (tsk, tsk) and reward defense...

...if mistake is caught after original BOO, AND after a legal pitch is delivered to next batter, then rule is designed to neither reward nor punsih either team...this is the OP...so my answer is that nothing happens, game continues as is.

Well, you're close. The game continues as is... with B3 replacing B1 at bat with a 0-1 count. I'm assuming that's what you meant.

[NCASAUmp]

Once the defense delivers a pitch (legal or illegal) to B1 (after B2 has already batted), B1 has simply missed their turn, and the defense missed their chance for appealing a BOO. It is then assumed that B2 batted legally. The next batter should be B3. B1 is now the one BOO. B3 simply assumes the one strike count. No outs.

[debeau]

Important to know who defense is appealing for batting out of order

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by debeau

Important to know who defense is appealing for batting out of order

Well, since only one batter can be at bat at a time, I'd say they're appealing the batter standing at the plate. At that point, that's the one you handle.

[debeau]

One cannot assume that that is who they are appealing , you have to know who or what the team is appealing .
Not being smart here . It IS important

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by debeau

One cannot assume that that is who they are appealing , you have to know who or what the team is appealing .
Not being smart here . It IS important

As it pertains to the OP, they can only appeal B1 batting for B3. Since B1 had already received a pitch, B2 batted legally. The defense lost their appeal on B2 batting for B1 once they delivered the pitch. B1 is the one standing at the plate, and that's the only one you concern yourself with.

However, my statement in that post is incorrect when speaking about BOO in general. I realized it as soon as I was 100' from my desk. I was thinking specifically about the OP, which is why I'd phrased it the way I did. If the defense appealed it before a pitch was delivered, then that's different subsection.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Well, since only one batter can be at bat at a time, I'd say they're appealing the batter standing at the plate. At that point, that's the one you handle.

The appeal is not specific in the OP.

If the defenses is appealing B2 in batting out of order the appeal would be denied.

The defense could then appeal B1.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

The appeal is not specific in the OP.

If the defenses is appealing B2 in batting out of order the appeal would be denied.

The defense could then appeal B1.

Considering most coaches will only scratch their heads and say, "I think they batted out of order, blue," that's good enough for me. BOO tends to get confusing, and I'm not going to trip them up and say, "well, if you only appealed B2 BOO, you're out of luck, guess again."

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SRW

A good one for discussion. Seemed easy to me, but not to others.

Speaking ASA:
B1 is supposed to bat, but B2 bats and gets a single. B1 then comes to bat and takes strike 1. DEF appeals BOO.

What next? Any outs, who bats, what count, etc.?

You're right, it was easy. And then people started to try and outhink the play.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

You're right, it was easy. And then people started to try and outhink the play.

So you heard... ?