ok, Ill ask the Jury..
 

Ties......


Do they exist....


and if the ball doesnt beat the runner to the bag...safe..or out?

Its my contention that if the ball doesnt beat the runner..he/she is safe..its my contention that there ARE ties..... and its my contention...as ridiculous as the myths sound..that they DO go in favor of the offense since the ball did not beat them there...


Dont get me wrong...I LOVE outs....... but the defense has to be there with the ball before the runner.......


McCrowder..you are NOT allowed to vote here......:D

Speaking ASA

Yes, ties exists. No, they are not "do-overs".

In case of a tie, the BR/R should be ruled safe based upon 8.2.B & 8.7.C respectively.

Speaking mathematically, ties only exist at infinity. At any time prior to that one event or the other occured first.

WMB

Thanks Mike.......

I would agree....

That could depend on which theory you subscribe to concerning parallel universes and if there are indeed 11 dimension. In our dimension one event or the other almost always do occur with some difference in time, perhaps less than a nanosecond.

But if the two events do occur simultaneously, will it create a a warp in the time-space continuum? Will it turn the ball into some hideous color?

Or, one could hope, it will create a black hole in the first baseman's mitt, sucking in yipping coaches and leather-lunged parents?

(In my particular spot in the cosmos, as much as I want to get one of those 42 outs, the ball has to beat the runner...unless it is 19-2 in the bottom of the second with two outs and the team that is ahead on offense. Then, I gots me an out.)

Less than a nanosecond? How about in a femtosecond?

A femtosecond is one millionth of a nanosecond.

A nanosecond (ns or nsec) is one billionth of a second.

Other fairly close plays would be ........

A picosecond = one trillionth of a second, or one millionth of a microsecond.

An attosecond = one quintillionth of a second.

Of course ties exist, especially to the "naked eye". The ponies, NASCAR and dog tracks have the luxury of the photo finishes, so ties don't happen there.

In our umpiring world however, even though ties may happen, they are not part of our thought process. If the ball beats the runner we have the out. If not, we have the safe.

So yes the "tie does go to the runner" but you didn't hear that from me!

here in this world I agree with the above, However on the field "There is no such thing as a tie, you're either safe or your out."




Hmmmm... ain't said that all winter.

In the world of "human" judgement, ties certainly exist.

I'll settle this. If it appears to the umpire to be a tie, it's a do-over.

Not on a field where I am working!!!! ;)

As to the ponies and dogs, ties do happen and called a dead heat!

I sometimes wear one around my neck.

WMB:

Where did you learn your mathematics: "...ties only exist at infinity." Because that makes no sense whatsoever. If two events happen at the same time, that is a tie.

MTD, Sr.

Actually it does make sense..... The play only appears to be a tie when viewed by the human eye. But since that's the only method available to us on the field to measure the timing of the play it's called a tie. Other methods of measuring the timing of the event would show that it was indeed not a tie. In other words if you had a device that could view the action in, as the OP states, nanoseconds you would have a different view (timing measurement) of the play and I'd be willing to bet the farm that the play would not be a tie. :)