Political Correctness (or Being Stupid Enough To Buy This Crap!)
 

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I'm sorry, but you will have to enter your profile and change your location. As many schools at all levels have discovered, the label "brave" has been claimed by a small sect of Native Americans as having a sole meaning referring to their heritage and they find it offensive.

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Actually, it is only offensive when plural, as in "home of the braves." ;)

But, since you ask, why is the mascot for the University of North Dakota (Fighting Sioux) offensive when the mascot for the University of Notre Dame (Fighting Irish) is not? :rolleyes:

Sorry to correct you...
 

Political Correctness has nothing to do with the home of the Braves being disgusting... it's because I hate the Atlanta Braves, being a die-hard Mets fan whose team got its tail kicked way too often by that team. When Turner married Fonda it just gave me another reason to despise them.

Lee

I always enjoyed seeing Jane doing the tomahawk chop... the irony of it was too much! :D

I live in an Indian area and the tree huggers in CA were trying to get all the schools to remove indian references (our school is the Redskins).. even our indians signed the petition to leave it.

It was vetoed by ahnold.

Because the Lakota's insist that the word "Sioux" is that of the white man and never existed in their language or culture. Which brings me to the point of how one can be offended by something they claim never existed?

Or maybe it's because the Irish are too damn drunk all the time to notice that little, red headed putz running around the sidelines. Or maybe it's because the Irish agree that their fighters and unlike their Native American counterparts, take pride in such a distinction.

Then again, as an American of Irish (among a few others) heritage, I was recently offended during a visit to a Bennigans Restaurant.

I opened the menu to see a blurb on the first page of the menu. In a box on the page read the words, "Irish? Beer Selections on Another Page". Yeah, I was offended. Not that the insinuation was that all Irishmen did nothing, but drink beer. I was offended because they thought I wasn't intelligent enough to turn the page and find the list meself! :D

Mike,
On behalf of a minority group of Italian mobsters, your screen name is patently offensive? :eek:
What address would you like the horse's head delivered to?

Must be the off season......
 

I think this post marks the official beginning of the off-season for our northern friends.....

(I'm sorry.....is anyone offended by being referred to as northern?):rolleyes:

More importantly, do we really care? :D

No more than when President Fox refers to Texas as the Northern provice of Mexico.

That's ok with me. Just don't call me a Yankee! I hate that damn team from NY.

You got that backwards. Mexico is Texas' backyard! Vincente is....well....Vincente.

Or when you said President Fox, were you referring to Rupert? :cool:

Dont blame him

mick was taken

;)

Wasn't the NCAA trying to ban from postseason play any team named after Indians? Is that still "operative"?

I suspect we'll eventually see an end to Fighting Irish, Vikings, Crusaders, Rebels, Colonels, Pirates, Knights, Lord Jeffs, Quakers, Giants, Padres, Warriors, Explorers, Cardinals, and all other names offensive to people looking to be offended. Then all the animals will have to go, since it's "speciesist" to call yourselves Bulldogs or Razorbacks. The p.c. crowd won't stop until every school has an approved name. Someday the Rose Bowl will feature the Michigan State Peace Activists versus the Stanford Multicultural Tolerators.

Yep. I believe last week that William and Mary was informed the school will be allowed to retain the word "Tribe", but the feathers in the logo and any other reference to Indians would need to go.

Personally, I'd just rather see the schools tell the NCAA to take a hike.

It's absolutely amazing that this "rule" is only being enforced against small schools. Florida State was granted an excemption, for example. I guess that was when they still expected their football team to be good. Maybe we should change the names of most of the midwestern states while were at it. My guess is not too many tribal members were consulted about the names Missouri, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, the Dakotas, ...

The initial subject of this thread says it all "Being Stupid Enough To Buy This Crap!"

FSU received an exemption because the standing council of a Seminole sect completely supports the portrayal and, supposedly, are consulted as to garb and actions the "mascot" performs. Granted, not all Seminoles agree, but apparently the council carries enough weight in the eyes of the NCAA.

The Good Old Days

Missouri, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, the Dakotas

Oregon, Utah, Hawaii, Alaska, Arizona, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Montana, Tennessee, Kentucky, Nevada, and bunch more also have to go.

Connecticut and Massachusetts, too, I guess. Vermont. Hey, New Mexico and Texas. Ohio. Delaware. California.

The states not named for Indians are derived from Great Britain: the Carolinas, Virginia, New Jersey, New York, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Georgia. That's got to be some kind of oppression of somebody.

Without a map, I guess Washington and Colorado (Spanish) are the only non-Indian and non-British.

Oh, well, a few decades from now all the states will have been renamed. I hate to think for whom.

Boy, am I glad I'm a fan of the Ohio State Buckeyes.

What special interest group could ever object to a "slightly poisonous, glossy and chesnut-brown seed-nut, contained in a spiny, two-inch hull".

Wait! The vegans! Our nickname is a clear case of botanical exploitation!

Are you sure about that? I always imagined a forest full of blind male deer... that would have PETA on your case, too!

And what about the inadequacy of the "two inch hull?" I am sure that would bring the wrath of the US Navy Department and ASA(American Shipbuilding Association....what did you think I meant?).

And UND (University of North Dakota) is doing just that. They're taking the NCAA to court over the matter for breach of contract and a couple other complaints. This whole deal with the NCAA is a freakin' joke.

What about UND's football and hockey programs? UND has been one of the top Div II football teams for a long time and their hockey team is expected to take top honors in Div I every year. There aren't very many collegiate hockey teams better than the Fighting Sioux. The Lakota tribe should be proud of the school and team.

I'm too lazy to check the etymology of all your examples and show that your theory is incorrect. Suffice it to say that Alaska is not "named for Indians." There is no Alaska tribe. Alaska is a word in an Indian language (I believe Denai) meaning "the great land."

Florida, Montana, California and Nevada are all clearly derived from Spanish. Louisiana is named after a French king. The isle of Rhodes is in the Aegean sea. That's just off the top of my head without consulting a map or any etymology references. I would hate to do real research and demolish your pointless thesis.

And, no, the NCAA has never banned teams from post-season play if they have an "offensive" name.

Semantics. The have to change or not display in any way their nickname / mascot or they are banned. I suppose you are correct - they can have a secret offensive mascot.

They're not banned from play, they're just banned from hosting a tournament.

Ralph Engelstad Arena in Grand Forks, North Dakota (Home of the Fighting Sioux) was built to the late Ralph Engelstad wants. He wanted every other tile on the floor to be the Fighting Sioux mascot and that's what was put down. There are over 10,000 Fighting Sioux mascot images on the floor of the arena along with several hundred posters, banners, etc., hanging from the walls. For UND to host an NCAA tournament, they would have to remove or cover up every single one of these "offensive" floor tiles and wall hangings. (I put offensive in quotes because I don't believe they are offensive in any way) Per the Ralph Engelstad Will, the Fighting Sioux nickname will forever stay with UND or his estate will pull every single penny the school gets from his estate (and it's a LOT of money).

Not true. What is banned is displaying American Indian imagery and nicknames by school representatives at postseason tournaments. Mascots are not be allowed to perform at tournament games, and band members and cheerleaders will also be barred from using Indian images on their uniforms beginning in 2008. Schools with American Indian mascots are ALSO barred from hosting future NCAA postseason events. Hosting tournament is an ALSO, not a JUST.

They will not be allowed to play if they have Indian imagry on their uniforms, on their cheerleaders' uniforms, or on their band members' uniforms, and their mascots will not be allowed to perform. So, if they hide their nickname, they will be allowed to play.

Idiotic and hypocritical rule.