Control (out) or not?

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Originally posted by varefump
Then how would you call this play...
Throw to retire batter-runner at first base draws the first baseman into the path of the runner. First baseman SECURES the throw and tags the runner just before the collision. Both players tumble to the ground and the ball then falls out of the first baseman's mitt.
First baseman had control of the ball during the tag.
Length of time between the tag and the loss of possession should not be a factor.

Sorry, but that is the ONLY factor. I believe ignoring such a thing is a lack of diligence on behalf of the umpire.

In the afore-mentioned play, that was ONE play and the catcher did not complete the play satisfactorily to warrant an out.
I say 'safe' on both situations.

Speaking ASA

Don't know of any rule or interpretation supporting the statement above.

On the collision at first, if the umpire determines that F3 had control of the ball and completed the tag, the call is out. If not, then the call is safe.