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Dakota Thu Oct 27, 2005 02:33pm

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Originally posted by David Emerling
I don't think the problems that arose from the incident had anything to do with any of Eddings' mechanics.

2.) The catcher didn't go through the routine of tagging the batter....

3.) And, finally, Eddings picked the wrong side of the coin when guessing....

For what it's worth, I fundamentally agree with David's analysis. I have these comments:

While the problem did not arise from his mechanics, his mechanics significantly contributed to the controversy, and his mechanics were at the focus of much of the umpire talk.

To have signaled "swing" followed a considerable time later by the hammer certainly looks like he is calling the batter out. Well, he didn't call the batter out (or perhaps reversed himself). Hence, the controversy about his mechanics.

I agree with the three events you describe, but I go so far as to say that if any "fault" is to be placed on the OUTCOME of the play, the fault lies with the catcher. Not the umpire. Not the batter.

OTOH, the umpire could have prevented all the ruckus with the opposite call OR by not giving the hammer signal prior to calling the U3K.

Mountaineer Sun Oct 30, 2005 07:52pm

As far as Eddings' call, I think he blew it. In every sport I believe you cannot call what you cannot see and there is no way Eddings saw that pitch hit the ground. Even a 3rd string catcher in the ML's knows to tag the runner if it's close - he obviously ditn't think it was close.

In WV, we use the hammer for all levels of play and in '04 I did the LL Southern Regionals and we were instructed that while either was acceptable, the hammer was preferred. I believe it's better because your head stays forward where the play is occuring. Turning to point takes your vision away from the play - like a D3K.

I'd be interested in seeing where Eddings eyes were facing when he made that "swinging strike" call.

bniu Tue Apr 28, 2009 02:28am

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer (Post 262705)
As far as Eddings' call, I think he blew it. In every sport I believe you cannot call what you cannot see and there is no way Eddings saw that pitch hit the ground. Even a 3rd string catcher in the ML's knows to tag the runner if it's close - he obviously ditn't think it was close.

In WV, we use the hammer for all levels of play and in '04 I did the LL Southern Regionals and we were instructed that while either was acceptable, the hammer was preferred. I believe it's better because your head stays forward where the play is occuring. Turning to point takes your vision away from the play - like a D3K.

I'd be interested in seeing where Eddings eyes were facing when he made that "swinging strike" call.

except for the fact that on a swinging strike, how often does the PU turn immediately to do it? He usually will get up, step back, wait a 2-3 seconds and then casually point to the side, often without even turning to the side. It's only on the called strikes where they'll turn to point, though some umpires will use the hammer for called strikes and thus, they'll never actually turn away from the action...

Dakota Tue Apr 28, 2009 08:23am

Why do little ball officials always feel the need to evangelize us poor softball heathens?

Skahtboi Tue Apr 28, 2009 08:28am

And why did this lond dead thread need to be revived?

wadeintothem Tue Apr 28, 2009 09:37am

I'm starting to suspect we have a little troll or a total goof of an official.

I havent decided which.

Skahtboi Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:47am

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 598284)
I'm starting to suspect we have a little troll or a total goof of an official.

I havent decided which.

I know which way I am leaning! :cool:

SethPDX Tue Apr 28, 2009 04:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 598284)
I'm starting to suspect we have a little troll or a total goof of an official.

I havent decided which.

If it is the former I am going to be mad with myself for wasting so much of my time. If it is the latter, I remain hopeful I have helped convince this official that softball umpires need to use softball mechanics.

Think positive thoughts, Wade...:D

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Apr 29, 2009 09:58am

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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 258314)
I've always favored the "hammer" v. the "point" on the strike signal, and not just because that is the mechanic I was taught (ASA, NFHS).

I'm glad you clarified we are talking softball here, and not some innuendo bedtime activity. :D

Dakota Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:23am

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 598590)
I'm glad you clarified we are talking softball here, and not some innuendo bedtime activity. :D

How am I supposed to remember ANYTHING I posted here 4 years ago! :)


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