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Dakota Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:16pm

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Originally posted by noobie
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Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
It's covered in the casebook.

Casebook? *perk* Where can I get ahold of one of these?

TIA :)

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noobie Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:39pm

Thanks, Tom. Qty 1 on order.

justmom Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:50pm

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Originally posted by noobie
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Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
It's covered in the casebook.

Casebook? *perk* Where can I get ahold of one of these?

TIA :)

I think there is one on ebay today

debeau Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:07am

Antonella
Read ISF Rulebook Section 10
The plate umpire shall have the authority to make decisions on any situations not specifically covered in the rules .
As you can see these are very wide powers and should you think a push warrants an ejection and an out it is up to you . It is your judgement .
Personally I think it is overkill but then I didnt see it .

Antonella Mon Jul 04, 2005 07:55am

Debeau,
All right, thank you. Rule number ten it's ok to me...
But in my experience this Rule was (too often) used by those kind of umpires who didn't care enough about KNOWING the rules. That's why I asked about a specific rule...
:)

A.

TexBlue Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:22am

OK, I understand what the Case Book says,which is basically what I did, but what about the obstruction? Do you just consider that null and void after the shove? It seems like this is a gray area that just needs to be handled as fairly and judiciously as possible by the blue on the field. The Case cited and then quoted doesn't cover the OBS part of the question.

Dakota Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:30am

If you apply the flagrant misconduct case, and declare the runner ejected and out, the OBS becomes moot, doesn't it?

The OBS rule also makes it clear that an OBS call does not protect the runner from subsequent violations.

Given the bad blood situation, I can see warning the F3 (and her coach) that she needs to stay out of the way of the runners. Then, if she does this again, eject her.

Coach12 Mon Jul 04, 2005 09:29pm

Hey Blue,

I would love to see more Umps like you take a stand against poor sportsmanship.
The Fast-pitch game at the 10U and 12U level has too many young players who are coached into bad attitudes and it shows on the fields. I see it every Saturday.

I took my 12U's to Forney, Texas last year and after beating a team who had an obvious grudge against me by a score of 8-1 the coaches would not come back out on the field for after-game handshakes. In fact about six their players came out on their own.

One Ump came up to me and said, "I hate to see kids taught that way".

Keep up the good work Blue.

Coach12

TexBlue Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:32pm

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Originally posted by Coach12
Hey Blue,

I would love to see more Umps like you take a stand against poor sportsmanship.
The Fast-pitch game at the 10U and 12U level has too many young players who are coached into bad attitudes and it shows on the fields. I see it every Saturday.

I took my 12U's to Forney, Texas last year and after beating a team who had an obvious grudge against me by a score of 8-1 the coaches would not come back out on the field for after-game handshakes. In fact about six their players came out on their own.

One Ump came up to me and said, "I hate to see kids taught that way".

Keep up the good work Blue.

Coach12

Ya know, while it gets very serious sometimes and we have to be very professional at all times, it's still just a game.

noobie Thu Jul 07, 2005 02:44pm

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Originally posted by noobie
Thanks, Tom. Qty 1 on order.
It just arrived today. What an AWESOME book! Personally, I think they ought to merge the rulebook and the casebook :)

This sure makes a lot of things a LOT clearer. Thanks, guys (and gals) for letting me know this wonderful publication exists!

SRW Thu Jul 07, 2005 04:37pm

Noobie:
did you get a confirmation email from them telling you what the UPS number was? I haven't yet, and it's been 8 days since I placed the order...haven't seen the package yet.

bkbjones Thu Jul 07, 2005 04:53pm

Revised edition
 
SRW,
They are printing a new one for you, with lotsa pictures and taking out all of the polysyllabic words.
:)

BTW, I have an out and an ejection.

And if the roles are reversed, as SRW knows from a certain game we worked, I damned sure have an ejection. It was not only my first ejection of the year, but the first kidney punch of the year as well.

SRW Thu Jul 07, 2005 05:05pm

Re: Revised edition
 
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Originally posted by bkbjones
SRW,
They are printing a new one for you, with lotsa pictures and taking out all of the polysyllabic words.
:)

I uh prish e eight your con fuh dense in mai reedin' uh bill a tees.
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BTW, I have an out and an ejection.

And if the roles are reversed, as SRW knows from a certain game we worked, I damned sure have an ejection. It was not only my first ejection of the year, but the first kidney punch of the year as well.

Yeppers. My first punch as well. (how many kidney punches DO you get in a year, bkbjones?)

Weird thing - these were U-14's.

noobie Thu Jul 07, 2005 08:16pm

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Originally posted by SRW
Noobie:
did you get a confirmation email from them telling you what the UPS number was? I haven't yet, and it's been 8 days since I placed the order...haven't seen the package yet.

Nope. They gave me a very detailed receipt, but there was no tracking number on it. I ordered on June 30th, and it just arrived today (7/7), so yours will probably be arriving tomorrow (?) ... 8 days is about right. Why they don't use USPS Priority Mail is beyond me. It's cheaper & faster :)

SRW Fri Jul 08, 2005 01:27am

It arrived sometime today
 
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Originally posted by noobie
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Originally posted by SRW
Noobie:
did you get a confirmation email from them telling you what the UPS number was? I haven't yet, and it's been 8 days since I placed the order...haven't seen the package yet.

Nope. They gave me a very detailed receipt, but there was no tracking number on it. I ordered on June 30th, and it just arrived today (7/7), so yours will probably be arriving tomorrow (?) ... 8 days is about right. Why they don't use USPS Priority Mail is beyond me. It's cheaper & faster :)

And it's all good.


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