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Skahtboi Wed Jun 01, 2005 08:50pm

Have any of you purchased the "Softball Umpires Manual" from the NCAA Publications catalog? I was just wondering if there was any info in there that makes it worth the $12.50 purchase price.

azbigdawg Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:16pm

get it.

bkbjones Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:52pm

Download it
 
Isn't this the same one that is available as a big freakin PDF from several sites?

azbigdawg Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:08am

yah

Steve M Thu Jun 02, 2005 03:47am

I got it before it was available as a download. Get it.

kellerumps Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:14pm

If you want to progress in the NCAA ranks then you better get it and Pay for it. I know for a fact, that Jeff, Kathy and Emily track what umpires have purchased it.

It's only $12.50 and then you get free updates. No big deal.

IRISHMAFIA Thu Jun 02, 2005 01:18pm

Quote:

Originally posted by kellerumps
If you want to progress in the NCAA ranks then you better get it and Pay for it. I know for a fact, that Jeff, Kathy and Emily track what umpires have purchased it.

It's only $12.50 and then you get free updates. No big deal.

I believe that is a sad commentary if this actually has anything to do with an umpire's evaluation and advancement. Buying a book no more makes an umpire better as not buying it would make them worse.

Andy Thu Jun 02, 2005 01:19pm

Definitely worth the price. There are so many things in there that will make you a better umpire even if you don't do college ball. Little details that will make you look better and more professional on the field.

Example - how to eject someone without showing them up, but still projecting that you are in charge.

I just finished my first season of college level ball, and found so much in there that has helped with my HS and ASA games as well.

SRW Thu Jun 02, 2005 02:08pm

Is this the manual and update?
 
http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/20...ire_manual.pdf

Then add in the 2005 update:

http://www.cactusumpires.com/pdf/2005Manual-Updates.pdf

Correct?

Rachel Thu Jun 02, 2005 08:56pm

Worth the $ and then some. Get it.

tcannizzo Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:06pm

It would have been worth it for some of the umpires who are calling the WCWS. Especially the BU in the TN/AZ game. Sorry, but too many blown calls that were not that tough!

CecilOne Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:27pm

Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA

I believe that is a sad commentary if this actually has anything to do with an umpire's evaluation and advancement. Buying a book no more makes an umpire better as not buying it would make them worse.

DITTO! Downright Orwellian!
Mike,
If I buy a book on the history of Delaware, will you assign me the State Final? Thanks, I'll even polish my belt!

Dakota Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:46pm

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Originally posted by CecilOne
Mike,
If I buy a book on the history of Delaware, will you assign me the State Final? Thanks, I'll even polish my belt!

Well, if I was Mike, I would at least require you to also pass this test:

1) How did Delaware get its name?

2) What is the significance of the name Zwaanendael to the state?

3) Why is the Declaration of Independence even more significant to Delaware than to the other original 13 states?

(Send me your answers and I'll grade them for you!)

(And, Mike, I'll bet you thought the only things I was nutty about was softball rules and English grammar!)

[Edited by Dakota on Jun 3rd, 2005 at 04:55 PM]

CecilOne Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:52pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Dakota
Quote:

Originally posted by CecilOne
Mike,
If I buy a book on the history of Delaware, will you assign me the State Final? Thanks, I'll even polish my belt!

Well, if I was Mike, I would at least require you to also pass this test:

1) How did Delaware get its name?
from Lord De La Warr

2) What is the significance of the name Zwaanendael to the state?
first community

3) Why is the Declaration of Independence even more significant to Delaware than to the other original 13 states?
I almost said first signer - Caesar Rodney, but that was the Constitution.

(Send me your answers and I'll grade them for you!)

2 out of 3 is passing, with extra credit for the Constitution comment

(And, Mike, I'll bet you thought the only thing I was nutty about was softball rules and English grammar!)


Dakota Fri Jun 03, 2005 01:17pm

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Originally posted by CecilOne
2 out of 3 is passing, ...
Very good, but would you consider an umpire who knew 2/3 of the rules to be a passable umpire? ;)

Anyway, the answer to #3 is Delaware used the opportunity to also declare itself independent from Pennsylvania.

bkbjones Fri Jun 03, 2005 01:43pm

Not fair! The answers are posted on the Idaho ASA web site!

whiskers_ump Fri Jun 03, 2005 01:46pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Dakota
Quote:

Originally posted by CecilOne
2 out of 3 is passing, ...
Very good, but would you consider an umpire who knew 2/3 of the rules to be a passable umpire? ;)

Anyway, the answer to #3 is Delaware used the opportunity to also declare itself independent from Pennsylvania.

Damn,

Bet Steve M. liked that deal.


AtlUmpSteve Fri Jun 03, 2005 03:18pm

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Originally posted by bkbjones
Not fair! The answers are posted on the Idaho ASA web site!
Geez. First Arizona, then Idaho. Does everyone think they need to post test answers?

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jun 03, 2005 03:51pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Dakota
Quote:

Originally posted by CecilOne
Mike,
If I buy a book on the history of Delaware, will you assign me the State Final? Thanks, I'll even polish my belt!

Well, if I was Mike, I would at least require you to also pass this test:

1) How did Delaware get its name?

Named for Sir Thomas West, Baron De La Warr, English Colonial governor of VA.
Quote:


2) What is the significance of the name Zwaanendael to the state?
First settlement (Dutch) in Delaware.

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3) Why is the Declaration of Independence even more significant to Delaware than to the other original 13 states?
Though many consider the Pennsylvania vote to be decisive, Delaware's delegation was also divided and an ill Caesar Rodney returned to Philadelphia to move the DE vote to favor independence.

Whether that was actually a matter of persuasion to Delaware's statehood is a question mark as the "three lower counties" had been given the right to separate assembly and government nearly 70 years earlier. Delaware supposedly gained statehood in 1776, but the "official date" of statehood is Dec 7, 1787, the date on which Delaware was the first to ratify the constitution.

Well, do I pass?
;)



Dakota Fri Jun 03, 2005 03:54pm

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Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
Well, do I pass?
;)

Well, as Joel used to say, Yeppers! :cool:

DNTXUM P Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:22am

Have any of you purchased the "Softball Umpires Manual" from the NCAA Publications catalog? I was just wondering if there was any info in there that makes it worth the $12.50 purchase price.

Scott: Buy it. It helps. You can learn the proper mechanic when in the "B" position instead of relying on "you know who", and there is lots of information in there that you need to know.

It would have been worth it for some of the umpires who are calling the WCWS. Especially the BU in the TN/AZ game. Sorry, but too many blown calls that were not that tough

Really, I was sitting there about 6 rows up behind home plate. I didn't see any calls blown. I also talked to several umps that were at their house to get their view on the call at home for the winning run. They ran it back several times on TIVO in slow motion and Willie got it right every time.




azbigdawg Sat Jun 04, 2005 06:10am

you wanna elaborate on what calls they missed? Because I missed them missing calls (or maybe I was enjoying the game and not watching the umpires) By the way..when that young lady that pitches for UCLA learns how to pitch, she is going to be lethal...no reason we wont see her in the CWS for the next 3 years also..

ronald Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:14pm

I know it is easier to read the book then go through printed pages and if you can print it at a friendly university that allows free printing, why buy the book if the printed pages have the same info?

Buy it just does not get it for me.

If Alpha, Romeo and Tango are looking to see who purchased the book, oh well, they are just another 3 people who need a good ... and are lost in the trees wishing they knew what forest they were in.

Since they have so much free time, they should email all their umpires and possibles and ask them if they have downloaded and read the manual. That way they will not make any of those illfated, rash assumpitions and judgements that bosses are known for.

CecilOne Tue Jun 07, 2005 01:37pm

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Originally posted by Dakota
Quote:

Originally posted by CecilOne
2 out of 3 is passing, ...
Very good, but would you consider an umpire who knew 2/3 of the rules to be a passable umpire? ;)
Apparently, a lot of people do

Anyway, the answer to #3 is Delaware used the opportunity to also declare itself independent from Pennsylvania.
Thanks, I forgot that, but I'll have to research the status described by Mike. It might only apply to ASA.


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