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LIIRISHMAN Sat May 21, 2005 09:43am

JR High FP between town rivals with about 100 spectators..Top 7th one out runners on 1st and 2nd.I'm the BU.Visitors up 3-0. Fly ball to R/C caught for 2nd out.Ball is returned to pitchers mound.Both teams leave field(can't say if baserunners were in the dugoutat this point)I check my indicator and look to my partner he also has 2 outs.I heard the Home team coach say there was only 2 outs.I said that runners would be placed back at 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.He's screaming that his players got the runner doubled off at first.I never saw it nor did my partner.Coach is walking quickly shouting in front of fans that I better get my head in the game and I'm a lousy umpire.I ejected him. He tells me he deserved a warning(LOL)
I've ejected players and coaches before but never in HS Sports.JR High is supposed to be about teaching and mentoring.I just couldn't get over how this guy was outright cheating.What would you have done under the same circumstances.

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 21, 2005 12:11pm

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Originally posted by LIIRISHMAN
JR High FP between town rivals with about 100 spectators..Top 7th one out runners on 1st and 2nd.I'm the BU.Visitors up 3-0. Fly ball to R/C caught for 2nd out.Ball is returned to pitchers mound.Both teams leave field(can't say if baserunners were in the dugoutat this point)I check my indicator and look to my partner he also has 2 outs.I heard the Home team coach say there was only 2 outs.I said that runners would be placed back at 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.He's screaming that his players got the runner doubled off at first.I never saw it nor did my partner.Coach is walking quickly shouting in front of fans that I better get my head in the game and I'm a lousy umpire.I ejected him. He tells me he deserved a warning(LOL)
I've ejected players and coaches before but never in HS Sports.JR High is supposed to be about teaching and mentoring.I just couldn't get over how this guy was outright cheating.What would you have done under the same circumstances.

Same thing.

bluezebra Sat May 21, 2005 12:24pm

"What would you have done under the same circumstances."

Run him faster than you did. The first word would be the last before I ejected him.

Bob

mick Sat May 21, 2005 12:28pm

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Originally posted by LIIRISHMAN
I just couldn't get over how this guy was outright cheating.
LIIRISHMAN,
How was he cheating?
mick


IRISHMAFIA Sat May 21, 2005 01:38pm

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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by LIIRISHMAN
I just couldn't get over how this guy was outright cheating.
LIIRISHMAN,
How was he cheating?
mick


Mick,

I believe he thinks the defense intentionally abandoned the field to lure the runners off their bases.

Keen play, but if you are going to do something like that, it would be wise to let the umpires know ahead of time.

However, as an umpire, the second I believe there is something askew and begin to look into it, I am now performing administrative duties relating to the game at hand and play is suspended under those conditions.

See, us umpires can be a bit sneaky, too :)


AtlUmpSteve Sat May 21, 2005 02:25pm

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Originally posted by LIIRISHMAN
Coach is walking quickly shouting in front of fans that I better get my head in the game and I'm a lousy umpire.I ejected him. He tells me he deserved a warning(LOL).
He got his warning at the pregame conference, when you told him that the game would be played under NFHS rules, and that NFHS emphasizes good sportsmanship and fair play.

CecilOne Sat May 21, 2005 03:22pm

Is this what you meant by cheating:
"He's screaming that his players got the runner doubled off at first.I never saw it nor did my partner."?

Apparently, the ball just laid on the ground by the pitcher's plate.

mick Sat May 21, 2005 03:40pm

http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/confused.gif

What are all you guys doing/using/imbibing ??!!?
mick

LIIRISHMAN Mon May 23, 2005 10:53am

Thanks for all your input folks.I spoke to my UIC who agreed with my handling of the situation.Although he would have rung up the Baserunners for abandonong their bases.He said once this guy questions your judgment loudly and in a belligerent manner he has to go.On a side note I just felt that this coach knew he had 2 outs and was willing to screw and cheat the other team.This guy also has ambition to go up to Varsity level.

mcrowder Mon May 23, 2005 01:02pm

If you're going to use the word, "Cheat", you should probably mention what rule he's violating. I see no cheating here.

110rtman Mon May 23, 2005 08:23pm

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Originally posted by LIIRISHMAN
Thanks for all your input folks.I spoke to my UIC who agreed with my handling of the situation.Although he would have rung up the Baserunners for abandonong their bases.He said once this guy questions your judgment loudly and in a belligerent manner he has to go.On a side note I just felt that this coach knew he had 2 outs and was willing to screw and cheat the other team.This guy also has ambition to go up to Varsity level.
ok then, you got approval from somebody, just nobody here

mick Mon May 23, 2005 08:28pm

careful
 
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Originally posted by 110rtman
ok then, you got approval from somebody, just nobody here [/B][/QUOTE]

Your parking spot is <U>still</U> not guaranteed.
mick

110rtman Mon May 23, 2005 08:31pm

Re: careful
 
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by 110rtman
ok then, you got approval from somebody, just nobody here

Your parking spot is <U>still</U> not guaranteed.
mick [/B][/QUOTE]
what was that
you some kind of troll

mick Mon May 23, 2005 08:35pm

Re: Re: careful
 
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Originally posted by 110rtman
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by 110rtman
ok then, you got approval from somebody, just nobody here

Your parking spot is <U>still</U> not guaranteed.
mick

what was that
you some kind of troll [/B][/QUOTE]

mantroll/o3matrixus,
Do not push the envelope.
If you want to play, play nicely.
If you continue you will go away again.
mick



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