FED game, two man crew, runners on first and second, I'm in "C". Pitcher throws a pitchout, catcher throws behind runner at first, runner at first dives back towards the bag.

I know home plate umpire has the best angle, but according to FED mechanics, who should make the call? This happened last night. I made the call from "C", albeit an easy call to make because the runner was caught sleeping.

ONLY softball mechanic I know if is BU covering this call. IF PU has lefty batter, could easily get blocked from a good view...plus they have to watch for the pitch, check swing, obstruction/interference, illegal pitch, etc.

My question: Would anyone go to partner for help (as BU) if coach says, "Blue, you're angle is bad on that play, could you check with partner because you were blocked on the tag?"

As clumsy as it is, it is BU's call by standard mechanics.

As said in the other recent "whose call" thread,

Assuming I called SAFE, sure if I agreed that I was blocked. And even if I didn't agree, I would check unless the coach was a royal PITA.

If I felt that I saw the play well, probably not. If it was possible (or even borderline) that I was blocked, I would likely go discuss with PU to see if he had a better angle.

BTW - I think the mechanic of making this BU's primary call is correct most of the time. You still have SOME angle, and less other responsibilities. MOST of the time, you'll be better able to make this call accurately from BU than from PU.

It is the BU call and he/she should make it. If the coach comes out and ask you nicely if you would check with the PU because he had a different angle, then I would check with my partner for his/her input. The most important thing to remember is "get the call right", not if I got it right.

Hey we are a team out there .
Dont be embarrased or think you are hard assed and you can do it yourself .
If you dont see it ask for help and oftenwith this situation the PU can see things from his angle although the call is BU .

I agree.

Also, the FED rules state, in part: 10-3-2 p. 80: "When there is only one Field Umpire, that umpire SHALL make all decisons at first or second base....." [emphasis added]

Keep in mind, while the following is absolutely correct: "get the call right, not if I got it right" the following is also correct:
10-1-4 p. 78 "No umpire shall criticize or interfere with another umpire's decision unless asked by the one making it."

TJ

Very right .
You may not agree with the call but dont critisize it .
Thats why it is very important to have a post game to discuss this type of thing .

Absolutely, coach.
 

Absolutely. My response to the coach is "Absolutely, coach." Then I go to my partner and ask a very specific question: "Did you see anything that would make me change my call?" If he says no, we're done, and it gives the appearance of working as a team. The coach is usually satisfied, and we appear more approachable as a team. If my partner says yes, then I let him explain it to me, and I make my call. Again, the appearance of approachability and teamwork are bolstered, it takes less than a minute, and it avoids confrontation.

Now if I know that I was right, I'll still say "Absolutely, coach" and go to my partner. My specific statement to my partner at that point is, "I had it all the way, unless you saw something different." He says "no", I turn around and repeat my call. Still gives the apperarance to the coach of approachability.

Now if I know I kicked the call, I'll tell my partner, "I blew that one and I'm changing my call." The I turn around and reverse it. Partner didn't have to say a thing.

Just my rambling thoughts...

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Originally posted by FUBLUE Again, the appearance of approachability and teamwork are bolstered, it takes less than a minute, and it avoids confrontation. Now if I know that I was right, I'll still say "Absolutely, coach" and go to my partner. My specific statement to my partner at that point is, "I had it all the way, unless you saw something different." He says "no", I turn around and repeat my call. Still gives the apperarance to the coach of approachability.

I have not subscribed to this way of thinking but would not mind a discussion on it to attempt to change my mind. My thoughts are, if you have it all the way then I always state..."No Coach, it was my call and I saw it all the way, My call stands" That way it keeps them from coming out every close play fishing for a change. If I feel I kicked it or if I think I may not have it right then I will go but on the ones I feel I have all the way I do not. What is everyone else's view?

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I'll save that until he actually DOES start coming out on every little thing.

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So you say that we should go if occasionally asked to appear "approachable" even if we know we got the call right?

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Depends. I will want the coach to tell me about something he thinks I missed (e.g. pulled foot) and not just complain about the call. If he tells me he saw something that I missed, even if based on my view of the play I'm sure of the call, I'll tend to give him the respect he deserves. I look at it as good game management.

Yup....In a heartbeat.

Depends. I will want the coach to tell me about something he thinks I missed (e.g. pulled foot) and not just complain about the call. If he tells me he saw something that I missed, even if based on my view of the play I'm sure of the call, I'll tend to give him the respect he deserves. I look at it as good game management.
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Tom

Since Tom quoted me, I'll return the favor. I too want the coach to tell me something specific that he thinks I did not see - such as the hand not getting back or a dropped ball. And then I will check with my partner every time, looking for that specific piece of information that the coach detailed for me. If my partner does supply me with different info than I saw, I will change the call

The approach of "Coach, that's my call, I hustled into the best position possble, ..." That's the baseball approach for some levels. When I work those games, I do things their way.

Had a similar play last night in a fed game..Line shot to f4 who fired to first to get the runner off of the base... runner dives back in... I cant tell if the tag is made... (Im In "C" position) so I call "safe". The first baseman looks at me as if Im smoking crack on the field. The coach calls time and asks me If I would ask my partner for help. I tell him yes (why WOULDNT I). I go to my partner, and he tells me that the runner was definitely tagged before she got to the bag. I tell the other coach that the runner diving back to first was out.... and she doesnt say a word.. The bottom line is to get the play right. Period

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It's awesome game management. You have fewer coaches screaming at you when you at least respect them enough to at least appear to conference with your partner.

I think I would respect the coach and go talk to my partner. If the coach starts to question every close call, then I might say "Coach, I am not going to conference on everything - Please tell me what you think I missed." If the coach has a specific request then I'll definitely ask my partner if they had a better view.

Darrell - Knowing that you don't smoke crack on the field, (after the game is a different story...:D) you're absolutely correct to not "guess" an out here since you didn't clearly see a tag.

Had you clearly seen the tag and called the out, then been asked by the offensive coach to get help, what is your response?

Hey Andy,

I know this old news, but I see Elkins went to AZ again
and again won that tournament. They are still undefeated.