I am a 1st yr umpire, so I am asking for some slack here if I step on it. IMO the method of imparting rules knowledge to the new umpire is very inefficent and less than engaging. Giving me this technical manual ,then some questions and then telling me to go forth and learn is just not good.
I have had Calculus questions that were easier to figure out then just figuring out where to begin here.
I picked Question #87 as my example. For the new umpire where does the new umpire even begin to look for the information to answer this question ? Should I start with interference, dead balls, or didn't I hear something about a IFR, the question doesn't mention tagging up etc..
After spending ten intimate minutes with my thumb and the index section I have almost forgotten what the heck I was looking for.
Whew got that one now only 99 to go. Its boring and not very time efficent.
The reason in college they have you buy the book, go to the class for instuction/ask questions and then take the test is because that works a little better than handing you the Calculus textbook , a test, and telling you to go for it.
I haven't come up with a better plan but the current system seems to be a little than efficent. BE NICE

You said a mouthful and it goes for me too. Im relatively new and appreciate this forum, but nothing here takes the place of working with veteran officials. Stick around and you will learn scenerio that will help.

Did you get a chance to know all the right answers on the test? If not, you need them to go back and study the questions with the right answers. It helped me alot. Know the definitions inside and out; that clears most of the mud up for me.

I didn't do a very good job of expressing my bottom line in my first post.

I want to talk about the posting of the answers without all the moral outrage.

I accept that some people were upset but that led me into the learning system for new officials. I will learn the all the rules and how to apply them in the proper sitch. I did pretty good in basketball-learning rules and applying them-so I assume the same will happen in softball.
I think having the references for the questions then looking them up is better then spending alot of time in the index section spinning my wheels hoping to eventually get to the right section AND then starting to learn.

In the beginning I was told that (in a sense) learn to umpire is like to learn riding a bike.
Somebody can explain to you what to do.
But you won't learn it by studying the right movements. It's not so easy.
No classroom nor professors will be good enough to teach you how you can succeed to do it: you have to try it by yourself and expect some (little?) scars and failures before you understand it FOR REAL.
You have to try it and then try it again and again.
Tests are just tools. Just a little part of the learning process. And I think you (you umpires in the States) have to say thanks for having such great tools and plenty of opportunity to go to clinics or learn from the veterans.
That's why I use to read almost every topic discussed in this forum: it's great to learn from ALL of you.

Because of all the above I just cannot understand why you consider the system not so good...

A.

P.S. Sorry for my poor english...

Chess,

If you travel across the US by car vs. plane, wouldn't you have a chance to see more?

The rules are intertwined, and digging for the answers is the best way to gain the working knowledge you need to become a good umpire. IMO, these ASA tests are designed to make you have to search, or travel by car through the book. Just getting answers correct on a test will not em-bed the rules in your mind. Having to search, and use, and understand the rules will! I will bet that next year you won't feel the same!

One suggestion; get the ASA case play book, it is a wonderful study tool.

<i><b>"IMO the method of imparting rules knowledge to the new umpire is very inefficent and less than engaging."</b></i>

Maybe you should qualify your statement by adding, "in my area". How many thousands of umpire associations must there be? I'm sure that some go beyond this basic form of instruction, while others might offer even less.

I've run into this very thing and seen it go both ways. For example, my local ASA association seems to follow what you are describing. The rule classes are not much more than a dry reading from a book, as if the new umpire will memorize it front-to-back by rote.

You can go beyond this on your own, by attending national clinics, reading any additional material you can get your hands on, asking lots of questions to experienced umpires and even by participating in discussion boards, like this one.

We don't even have to take the ASA test to become certified, but the instructor encouraged us to take it on our own and he would grade it and discuss any questions we had. So, it can be used as a learning tool, but somewhere along the line someone is going to have to supply the answers so you can see what areas you need to work on.

By contrast, my local baseball umpire association is much more geared toward training and education. Before gaining my certification (FED baseball), there was a mandatory 8 week rules class. After that, passing the 100 question FED baseball test was also mandatory.

The guys that taught the beginners class were both educators- one a middle school history teacher, the other a college chemistry professor.

They guy teaching our mandatory second year class is pursuing his masters degree in education, and makes the material easy to learn. Having instructors that know how to teach can make any subject fun and interesting!

Our membership has many umpires doing college ball, several former minor league pros and even a major league umpire- Tim Timmons- who resides in the central Ohio area and is a frequent guest lecturer.

Last week we had our annual mechanics clinic. This is very well run, with many experienced instructors. Drills are run on a local field, with high school players running bases and batting. Classroom instruction is given throughout the day. Home plate mechanics are video taped and critiqued, then you have a chance to go back in the cage and be taped again. And, you get to keep your tape for personal review.

Even within the same city, you can have a night-and-day difference in umpire education. If you feel that your local association isn't teaching you well, take it upon yourself to pursue every other educational resourse you can find.

[Edited by BretMan on Mar 16th, 2005 at 11:04 AM]

Amen, but know this, after my first post i was suspected to be a troll, maybe even still. Dont sweat the moral/ethical stuff here, not the place for it because of anonymity(sp?) I enjoy engaging conversation too, just not flamers and judgement.

I will defintely second the opinion of digging through and reading the rule books to learn how to umpire. I will also say that there is no substitute for experience. In all of the sports that I have officiated, I took as many contests as possible for the first few years, any level, anywhere. At some of the lower and recreational levels you may see stuff happen that won't happen anywhere else and you have to rule on it. Even if you blow the call, you will never forget that particular ruling.

Also - watch good veteran umpires work and ask questions about situations and calls that came up in their games.

Several good suggestions given, Chess - try them.

Here's some phrased a little differently
1-RTFM - Read the F****** manual (rule book AND umpire manual) - there's no substitute.
2-Watch the good umps in your area work a game, then talk with them about the how's & why's...
3-Keep an umpire's diary or journal - make note of everything strange in youur game, what you ruled & so on. Then get the rule book and note what the rule sez. Review this diary a couple of times each year.
4-Now & then, work a higher level game than your normal
5-go back to #1

Addition - One more thing, Chess - welcome aboard.

Hey, c'mon! I recognized you for what you truly are... a smarta$$! Right? :D

Yep, but with the best at heart.

Speaking to the answers to the ASA test..

This was the first year I've been able to know the answers to the test or how I did (because they were posted here).. I've turned it in to my UIC and never heard about it again in the past. (it never dawned on me to go looking on the net for the answers)

In fed ball.. we take the test at home and at the next clinic the UIC gives you the answers.

I think there was a slight over reaction to the posting of the answers.. but it is understandable.

If the test was a board like exam, that determined if you ump, I would agree.. but the test is very informal to begin with, and if you cheat on it, you only cheat yourself... in which case, it will all come out in the wash.


[Edited by wadeintothem on Mar 16th, 2005 at 01:27 PM]

Once again, you need to remember that not everyone has yet to take the test. In my area, they will not for another three weeks.

And, no, you don't only cheat yourself. You cheat the people paying you to go on the field and umpire the game by this year's rules. They are not paying you to umpire based on what you believe what the rules are or what they were ten years ago, the last time you actually paid attention at the clinics or test.

To be honest with you, there are a LOT of "umpires" out there that act in that exact manner. Eventually, it catches up with them and it can often get ugly on the field because of it.

still a slight overreaction... some reaction is justified and expected - but this is not the end of all umpiring as we know it.

I took my test, I took you up on your offer to grade but you never responded to me.. the answers were posted here and I was glad to see them and used them to grade my own test. Of course you dont owe me to grade my test, but had they not been posted here, I would not been able to self grade my test and learn from it... it would have been turned in and gone whereever it is ASA exams go to die.

I think they should publish the answers.

Attitude in wanting to learn proper umpiring is not affected by availability of answers. Either you are a cheater and cheat or you try hard, read this board and other study, and try to learn - or you skate.

The availability of the answers is not the quantitative marker of that desire to learn.

If it were, the ASA would outline exactly how the exam was to be taken, actually grade the exam, and use it as a board. It is not a board, it is a tool for learning. Big difference IMO.

None of your umpires who have yet to take the test will be negatively affected by having the answers.. either they know and learn or they dont. If they are a cheater to begin with, you have other issues with them, the answers to make a squat of difference.

Wade - i agree. Whether you are new or veteran, having the answers before or after the test is helpful since you dont even have to take the test to get certified. Its not he determining factor, so why all the fuss? That matrix guy will probably never be heard or replied to here because of the reactions of a few members.

Chessref, my reply, with all possible moral outrage removed.

I submit to you that despite your initial confusion trying to answer question 87 (for example), you learned 25 times more about the rules during your thumbing, indexing, and searching through the book than you EVER would have learned from getting the answer off the internet and then knowing the specific answer to just that one question.

You, after all the fumbling, could likely handle a situation on the field that was similar, but not identical, to the question involved - because you eventually read ALL of the rules that pertain to the question (and possibly several that didn't pertain to THIS question, but pertained to SIMILAR situations). Joe Schmoe, who got the answer off the net, will be lost the minute the on-field situation deviates from this one question.

Therein lies the reason for my "moral outrage" on the other thread. I don't personally know all of my umpires character (yet!), especially the newer ones. I do know that matrix's actions, if seen by any of my newer umpires, makes my job harder.

If you want everything to be easier for you, be easier on everyone.

That, sir, just isn't true. I have never ignored or failed to respond to anyone asking to have their test corrected. Last year I did about four. This year, only one person has taken me up on my offer and it wasn't from this board.

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the answers were posted here and I was glad to see them and used them to grade my own test. Of course you dont owe me to grade my test, but had they not been posted here, I would not been able to self grade my test and learn from it... it would have been turned in and gone whereever it is ASA exams go to die.

Exams in my area are always returned to the individual.

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I think they should publish the answers.

Well, you are allowed an opinion.

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Attitude in wanting to learn proper umpiring is not affected by availability of answers. Either you are a cheater and cheat or you try hard, read this board and other study, and try to learn - or you skate. The availability of the answers is not the quantitative marker of that desire to learn.

No, but a desire to learn doesn't qualify one to be an umpire. I know many people that have a desire to learn. It doesn't make the good, it just means they want to be good. Ball games should not be decided by desire of an wannabe umpire.

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If it were, the ASA would outline exactly how the exam was to be taken, actually grade the exam, and use it as a board. It is not a board, it is a tool for learning. Big difference IMO. None of your umpires who have yet to take the test will be negatively affected by having the answers.. either they know and learn or they dont. If they are a cheater to begin with, you have other issues with them, the answers to make a squat of difference.

Isn't it amazing how often those who attempt to justify a shortcoming are often the ones who come up short.

I'm done with this one.

Well review the the thread IM, you'll see where I asked.

Youre equally allowed your opinion on this matter.

One thing is for sure, I would bet the answers will be on the net every year, thats the way of the internet... so you better get something figured out for your assoc since its apparently so all fire important. Sniveling about it wont change the fact everything ends up on the net.

So what? My daughter can download everything from research papers to book reports from the internet, too.

<font size=4>That does not mean it is not cheating and it does not mean that a person who takes advantage of this to short cut the learning process is not a cheater and a person of low ethical standards and a person who places very little value on their own integrity and honor.</font>

The same can be said for the people who facilitate this cheating by posting the research papers and publicizing their locations (sometimes for a fee, which is even worse).

The tendency of this society to follow itself down into the gutter in nearly every part of life under the mantra of "everybody is doing it" or "you're no better than I am" or "if I hadn't done it somebody would have" or "who are you to judge" or ... is shameful.

We even have former presidents who made their career with such disreputable self-delusional nonsense.

Because posters come here to cheat and then react with righteous indignation when they are correctly seen for what they are does not change what they are - cheaters.

Because others do it does not make it right.

Because it is easy due to the internet does not make it right.

None of these reasons are in any way a reason to not protest when such unethical and dishonorable behavior is observed.

Thatll preach. I understand all that very well; perfection is an honorable goal. I just beleive showing mercy levels the playing field. You exalt yourself when you are judgmental and critical.

Not necessarily. If you say "You are bad and I am better" - true you are exaulting yourself.

OTOH if you say "Your behavior is bad and should not be condoned." - you are not.

Not saying I haven't done both on this topic - never said I was above acting, behaving, or typing poorly.

But, I will judge unethical behavior when I see it, be it in politics, at work, on web boards, or on the softball diamond. And, I won't apologize for being "judgmental" either - nothing wrong with being judgmental about unethical behavior. Nothing at all. And, being judgmental only requires a standard against which to judge; it does not require prefection in the person doing the judging (much as the unethical among us would like us to believe - because, conveniently for them - that lets them off the hook.)

Funny how the only two deadly sins remaining in our society are being judgmental and being less than perfect while being judgmental. Guess who that standard of "sin" benefits?

Is there an echo in here?

No, judging implies that you are better. I here you though, just dont agree.

Depends on the standard. If I judge against the standard of MY behavior, you are correct. If I judge against a higher standard than I, you are not correct. I try to do the latter. Sometimes I do the former (which is why the standard had better be higher that I am).

IOW, if your standard of behavior is me, you are setting your standards too low.

And no one who is trying to live an ethical life should settle for that. (I don't ).

I also hear you guys and see your POV.. If the ASA exam were a test administered by ASA with specific guidelines as a board type exam, I would agree. It is not. It is basically a multiple choice POE. Its not even a real test. So I put it at the level it is at. ASA as the org itself doesnt care.. You are inventing principles not applied by the governing org. Basically, "this is my local rule so the entire nation must comply with it".

Sorry, dont work that way.

Your local rules are simply that. Nothing done violated either ASA rules or even ethics, as to have an ethical problem, there MUST be a set criteria to measure against. There is no set criteria here.

If you want to invent yourself a local rule, you'll now need a local rule that says "no reading the answers off of the net".

IOW, Wade, your position is, "there is no controlling legal authority" so in that vacuum, everything is ethical?

IOW, if you, as a UIC, have a local rule that says you will take the test on such and such and such date, it will be a closed book exam (or whatever) and you catch one of your umps cheating off the net.. I would agree that person is unethical.

It is not proper to judge the entire nation (or world) based on local rules that the ASA has decided to leave up to the local bodies.

It is perfectly legal in ASA for a UIC to simply give the answers to his umps, or in fact, to not test them at all.

"Ethics" of how an exam is administered is determined locally.

Mikes way of doing it in his locality is no more legal or ethical according to the ASA than another body not even testing their umps.

It used to be unethical in baseball to throw a pitch that was difficult to hit.

Are we less ethical now than then?

Rules are the rules.. your local rules are your rules - that is all they are.

One area administers the test. After the test is administered, as a convenience to their local association, they post the answers so everyone (who has already taken the test) can look up what they missed. Is that unethical? Not in and of itself, but it does place the temptation out there for those who are ethically challenged.

Another area passes out the tests with instructions for their umpires to take them home and answer the questions using their rule book and case book. One of those umpires tries to find the answers on the internet instead of looking them up.

Is ASA National going to get involved? No.

Is that umpire unethical? Yes.

Legality and the existance of an enforcement mechanism is a very, very poor tool to use in defining your own ethics, unless you just don't want to have any at all.

I seriously doubt that any area will pass out the tests along with the web site URL for looking up the answers with instructions to copy them down and turn the test back in. Yet, you seem to be arguing that this should be considered ethical behavior. At the very least, it would be a colossal waste of time.

Those who are ethically challenged AND required to complete their tests in a certain way that does not include simply finding the answers.

For those who are not required to even take the test, or those whose tests are not graded or those who the UIC simply give them the answers at the next clinic - its not a problem at all.

For that local umpire, that is a problem.

Is it devestating?

No.

Then again, inventing your own criteria and applying it to everyone else who may not be subject to that criter is equally a poor way of doing things. You are passing judgement based on your own areas way of doing things.

Which is fine, it is your opinion - I dont see how you can justify that it is defacto correct.

They may not, but they certainly could. Some orgs pass them out and dont require them to be turned in.. fed we didnt turn them in - the UIC read through the answers. Some dont grade them and return them.

There is a bigger picture here than your narrow slice of local rules - that being it is done differently in so many areas that applying your own invented local rules, that you could change tomorrow, to every single org in the nation is rather arrogant IMO.

If you say

"Is it ethical to cheat on a test"

The answer is going to be 99% no.

Of course its not.

Cheat implies you break a rule.

To break a rule, there must be a rule to begin with.

"Is it ethical to download the ASA exam and answers and study them when your local org doesnt even require you to take the exam to begin with".

Thats a little diferent. I would say the umpire that downloaded the exam and answers and studies them is MORE ethical than his local peer that didnt do any study. Its certainly not cheating, since he isnt even required to take the exam.

Another area passes out the tests with instructions for their umpires to take them home and answer the questions using their rule book and case book. One of those umpires tries to find the answers on the internet instead of looking them up.

Is ASA National going to get involved? No.

Is that umpire unethical? Yes.

I agree, but thats not what he said happened. He said he had already took the test. Still unethical?!?

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mick

I know that you tried to end it, Mick. But I haven't put my two cents in yet.

For whatever it is worth, I receive an answer sheet every year with my NFHS test. I take the test, then check my answers. The ones that I miss (darn few) I use the reference to look it up. If I didn't have the answer sheet, there would be no reason to take the test. (I am not going to spend the time looking up every question to find the correct answer.)

Michigan ASA does not send me a test with my registration. To satisfy my own interest, I download the test and the answers. Do the same as with the FED test.

For my personal training purposes, taking the test, checking the answers, and only looking up the wrongs ones is all the time that I want to spend on it.

This is a logical teaching process. Having answer sheets available is not in itself unethical nor cheating. Only if the organization wishes to control the test environment and determine advancement or umpire opportunities based on test results should any ethics issues arise.

WMB

Actually it looks like I got 98 cents worth in! :D

C'mon WMB,
I got a feelin' you look up some of the correct ones, too.

Yer not gonna let Fed say that yer right, and then just leave it alone. ;)
mick

Thanks
 

Well a pretty good job was done for two pages . Yes i agree with all the suggestions. Going to clinics, self-studying , watching vet umpires and hanging around boards like this one is all definetly going to make me a better umpire.

I am thinking because I am an ex-professional student, currently not taking classes, I have been interested in minimum input -maximum output.. I am not talking about laziness or half A$$ing it, more of an efficency kind of thing.

Specifically referring to the practice of looking up answers, I just think that the current method is not very efficent. Do I have a better way, maybe, but some people have morality issues with it.

IMO, having the references available to look up the answers ,then looking up the answers and thinking about them works for me. a Kind of get in,get the job done,go home.
Passing tests around here is NOT my goal. being an ex-professional student I can figure out what kind of grade I will get ,before the test ,by the amount of time spent studying. My goal is to become the best official I can in the most timely and efficent manner.

Re: Thanks
 

Passing tests around here is NOT my goal. being an ex-professional student I can figure out what kind of grade I will get ,before the test ,by the amount of time spent studying. My goal is to become the best official I can in the most timely and efficent manner. [/B][/QUOTE]

Very well put chess.http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fdm/clap.gifSome of the more sr member i guess feel threatened by this, but I dont believe if will change unless, like some others have said, it it handled differently. Times have changed and the way this stuff like this is delt with has to change or it will continue and escalade. I still think the test link was ok based on what supposedly happened.

Re: Re: Thanks
 

Very well put chess. Some of the more sr member i guess feel threatened by this, but I dont believe if will change unless, like some others have said, it it handled differently. Times have changed and the way this stuff like this is delt with has to change or it will continue and escalade. I still think the test link was ok based on what supposedly happened. [/B][/QUOTE]Stick to what was said instead of putting up a straw man. "Feel threatened" indeed. Quit being so childish. Same for the others who create legitimate reasons for publishing or wanting test answers as some kind of refutation of the point about cheating. Legitimate reasons are one thing. Wanting the answers for filling out the test is quite another.

The Case Book is one big umpire test with answers given. The ASA test comes mostly from the case book. If you truly want the answers only to learn, the case book covers not just this year's test, but last year's, and the years before that, and most likely next year's.

If 3m wanted his test graded, that offer was made and rejected.

Hence, the assumption he wanted to cheat. His protestations to the contrary, his words, actions, and attitudes on this site do not support his claims of innocence.

It is also bad form to use two different user names to appear create someone who agrees with you.

Yes, Cadillac is trying to keep up with the times, but why bring them in to it?

Personally, I was never trying to make the point that cheating on the test is unethical (it may be ... but that was not my point).

I was trying to say that an umpire (A) who gets his answers from the internet, instead of taking a couple of hours to look up those he doesn't know and reading peripheral rules to those questions (B), is going to be a weaker umpire.

To that note - someone who publicly lists, in an area visited freely by newer umpires, an easy way for such umpires to find the answers, thus facilitating his becoming (A) instead of (B), is the unethical one. Especially since he'd previously been summarily lambasted for merely ASKING for the answers, and knew the general opinion of those on this site.

It was unethical to post the location of these answers. It was spiteful to do so after being told it was unethical.

Are the answers available out there on the net every year? Probably. Has it been easy in the past to find such answers? Not so much. Is it easy now? Yes - thanks to said unethical and spiteful "umpire". Did the unethical and spiteful actions of said "umpire" weaken our profession. Surely so.

2d year umpire
 

My first year was filled with uncertainty about the mechanics. I was blessed by working through the season with more experienced umpires who had the patience, knowledge and temperance to assist in my molding. Mistakes made? Quite a few but minimized over the season. Questions? A lot with good answers by the rules.
BTW, my vocabulary is extensive because my mom and my teachers had me use a dictionary to find the correct spelling and definitions. My math is strong because I worked the problems then checked the answers. I like the format because I retain more information than if it were given to me.

no test
 

I would like to know what state allows umpires to be certified and not take a test.

Re: no test
 

Michigan

Re: Re: no test
 

Georgia

Re: no test
 

I hate to break this news to you, but ASA registers umpires, not certify them.

Some areas do use the term certify when their umpires meet the terms required to qualify for championship play in that state/metro area.

Just when we thought you were gone.

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Why would you think Mike is going anywhere, he is why we all come here.

What you missed was an exchange between 03matrixrs and Mike that was on the board briefly. It has been deleted (both messages). So now it looks like Glen is replying to Mike, when in fact he was replying to 03matrixrs.

Guess I scared him. No Mike, I was not taking to or
about you.

Scared me and I dont even know what was said.
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Hello all, 1st time poster, 1st yr umpire.

I just finished my 1st week (6 games) and have to say "Hallejuja!!!" I simply loved it!

I must admit I'm very lucky. The Northern California Umpires Association runs the San Francisco ASA Clinic and even has a scrimmage for us the final day. I also had the added luxury of having a long time family friend work the 1st week with me. Helped a ton to have a good buddy with already established chemisty.

So I guess it really does boil down to 'area' or location as has been stated already in this thread.

Hope I didn't over state myself. Can't wait to see what I can learn from this forum. Glad I stumbled onto it tonight.

Al.

You did, plus you hi-jacked the thread. No biggie; that kinda behavior is reserved for the oldbies around here like irish, jel, dakota, mcrowder, and so on. Its one of the few things they can still do without askin their wives. (hi-jack a thread that is) So, fair warning, if ya dont wanna join the dark side, just like softball, know the rules, so when somebody breaks them, youll know to shut-up.
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I don't care if you were trying to be a jerk, that's funny! (and true!) http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/mi...smiley-116.gif

[Edited by Dakota on Apr 9th, 2005 at 02:48 PM]

Hey rhsc, this is my 1st year umpiring --not my 1st year on the internet! lol

Original Post: "I am a 1st yr umpire...the method of imparting rules knowledge to the new umpire is very inefficent and less than engaging..."

Those were pretty much the points I was addressing as a fellow 1st year Umpire. I was trying to give him and others another perspective from another part of the country.

I do, however, appreciate the nice, warm welcome.

Al.

[Edited by Alameda on Apr 9th, 2005 at 02:33 PM]

[/B][/QUOTE]I don't care if you were trying to be a jerk, that's funny! (and true!) http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/mi...smiley-116.gif

[Edited by Dakota on Apr 9th, 2005 at 02:48 PM] [/B][/QUOTE]
Wasnt really tryin to be a jerk, but I'll take being compared to Steve Martin as a compliment. All I need is this softball...and these glasses.......

Amen brutha.

Let's not forget one of the 1st rules of umpiring.

The other umpire is your only friend out there.

Peace.

I sympathise with you chess ref.

However as one responsible for the training of new umpires I can offer you the same piece of advise I offer those who choose to follow others into umpiring.

Spend your time initially understanding Rule 1 - the definitions.

As you initially become familiar with the definitions so the more complex rules will begin to make better sense.

We train umpires with the use of a case-book primarily to teach the INTENT of the rule.

This together with the definition of the rule makes the understanding far more easily digested and much more likely to understand.

Judging from some of the vets here and some of their experiences, not so sure about that rule either.
No run scores.

Just because some don't follow the rules doesn't mean we throw them out the window. ;)

Throw Them Out the Window?
 

Which... the umpire or the rules?

If so, why? If not, why not?

JuzzFunnin

Not throwing anybody out any window, just know that sometimes we dont mind if they jump.
Chill a little, its all part of the forum hoopla.

Ok so whose going to post the ASA Exam Answers?......... If not here email them to me please

<font size =5> OH NO</font> Another one.

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Or is it....First post, maybe just changed names.

Probably another damn Texan!

go away fat man

I'm sure these guys will help you with individual questions. Maybe not give you the answers, but steer you in the right direction in the ASA rulebook.

Asking to be spoon fed the answers, however, appears to get you nowhere fast.

We have done this already many times on this site. The answers are as follows:

T
F
A
B
C
D

Repeat as necessary.

Hmmmmm, I thought each association at least offered a on-field in-service clinic (a mini-camp) to anyone interested in getting live training. I have worked in a few different associations in different states and all of them had a 1/2 day or full day clinic on the field.

If your association does not offer this perhaps you can request it.

HAHAHAHAHA


Anyway.. on a funnier note

I have the answers and I'm not tellin....

neener neener neener..

You know you love us Mike. Be cool or we will put Delaware
in Dallas and hide it.

Almost forgot.....:)