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FUBLUE Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:04pm

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Originally posted by Ed Maeder
Who's doing the guessing Fublue safe first time, out second etc. That sounds like guessing. I've never guessed a safe or out call in 21 years of officiating and if I'm in a funk with the call it has to be safe. No such thing as a tie!
;) I hope we realize I was being sarcastic...even though I'm from the Midwest ;)

I've never guessed either, but there have been a few I'd like to see again to be sure I was right.

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jun 11, 2004 09:25am

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Originally posted by FUBLUE

I've never guessed either, but there have been a few I'd like to see again to be sure I was right.

Me, neither. That's what the flipping coin is for.


FUBLUE Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:22am

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Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
Quote:

Originally posted by FUBLUE

I've never guessed either, but there have been a few I'd like to see again to be sure I was right.

Me, neither. That's what the flipping coin is for.


What do you call when it lands on it's end?

chuck chopper Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:38am

Where I used to work, I found a quarter. My two buddies were standing there. The one takes it from me & says to the other Heads I win, Tales you loose. I complained because I found it !!! & was being left out. The one flipping says if it lands on edge you can have it. It lands on top the table..rolls all the way to the other end and prop's itself up against the phone & stops. I took the quarter without one word being said. It happens !

MichaelVA2000 Fri Jun 11, 2004 03:26pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
[B]
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Originally posted by FUBLUE

I've never guessed either, but there have been a few I'd like to see again to be sure I was right.

Me, neither. That's what the flipping coin is for.



Flipping coin deciding safes and outs? I thought that coin was for the pre-game conference. Ok coaches, let's save some time today. Coach A, this side of the coin lands face up after the flip....your team wins. Coach B, this other side lands face up and your team wins. Flip...instant winner. Bring on the next teams.

Michael

Shmuelg Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:43am

We here in the ISA (Israel) are taught that if you cannot call an out, do not call an out.

The result is, effectively, tie goes to the runner. OK, OK, there is no rule like that. But that is the effect.

Having said that, I think the other posters who mentioned effort as a factor is actually quite true. I've seen it, and you get less complaints from the players. A great play, say from F6 to F3 "looks good", and "deserves" to be an out. When it's micro-close, and you call it out, LOUDLY, SELLING THE CALL, then ain't no one gonna complain.

TwoBits Sun Jun 13, 2004 03:34pm

Suggestion for calling "ties":

1) Flip a coin

2) Use a possession arrow like in basketball. This tie goes to team A, next tie goes to team B.

3) My preferred method: Tie goes to the team with the better looking moms.

IRISHMAFIA Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:26pm

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Originally posted by Shmuelg
We here in the ISA (Israel) are taught that if you cannot call an out, do not call an out.

The result is, effectively, tie goes to the runner. OK, OK, there is no rule like that. But that is the effect.

Having said that, I think the other posters who mentioned effort as a factor is actually quite true. I've seen it, and you get less complaints from the players. A great play, say from F6 to F3 "looks good", and "deserves" to be an out. When it's micro-close, and you call it out, LOUDLY, SELLING THE CALL, then ain't no one gonna complain.

Let me tell you how it works here in the U.S.

If the ball beats the runner, the call belongs to the defense;
If the runner beats the ball, the call belongs to the offense;
If the both get there at the same time, the call belongs to the umpire!



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