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Dakota Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:53pm

OK, so sue me. I didn't call it.

I got a call at ~6:25 last night from my assignor asking if I could hustle over and call a 10U double header. Some kind of scheduling mixup, and since I am only 5 minutes from the field, and since game time was 6:15...

I agree to help him out. Jump into my uniform and gear and get to the field by ~6:45.

Fast forward to the second game of the DH, 2nd or 3rd inning of a semi walk-fest. Coach brings in a new pitcher.

Here is her mechanic:

1. Brings hands together while off the plate.
2. Steps onto the plate with both feet.
3. Does a little nervious jig - hopping back and forth rapidly from one foot to the other - probably 6-8 little hops from side-to-side.
4. Takes a back step (NFHS style)
5. Delivers the pitch.

After a couple of these, I call time and go have a word with the coach, something like this, "Coach, don't say anything to your pitcher during the game, but she has a lot to work on before her next game. She can't hop around once her hands are together, and she can't take a back step." Coach says, "Yeah, I know; it is her first game ever to pitch."

She was actually not too bad in getting the ball over the plate, so we have some pretty good batted balls and 10U style defense.

But, I didn't call the IP. Ron would be so pi$$ed. ;)

mick Thu Jun 03, 2004 01:40pm

Attaboy !
 
Great decision!
mick

chuck chopper Thu Jun 03, 2004 02:29pm

If no one was complaining & you were getting strikes, stay with whatever was happening !, good job. You could have ruined her WHOLE life if you tried to teach her the correct way now that the season is probably 7 weeks into it.

mcrowder Thu Jun 03, 2004 03:12pm

I don't call the IP at 10U unless it's causing the batter harm (like taking an extra step forward, or double-revolutions...). I do just what you did - talk with coach between innings.

Dakota Thu Jun 03, 2004 03:48pm

Quote:

Originally posted by mcrowder
I do just what you did - talk with coach between innings.
I called TIME to talk with him, since it was within a "10U inning time" of the time limit (i.e. I wasn't sure she would get another inning to pitch) and I wanted the coach to have a chance to observe what I was telling him. IOW, I didn't want to wait until the half inning.

whiskers_ump Thu Jun 03, 2004 03:49pm

I took Steve's solution.

Just don't call 10U.....

Dakota Thu Jun 03, 2004 04:06pm

Quote:

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
I took Steve's solution.

Just don't call 10U.....

I don't, usually, although I have done more 10U games so far this year than the last 3 complete seasons combined... but that is because I have been "mentoring" my DD for a few games.

I only took this one because my assignor is a really good guy and he was in a pinch.

whiskers_ump Thu Jun 03, 2004 08:09pm

Tom.

You won't have to worry about that <u>w h e n</u> you
come to the Nationals. :D

IRISHMAFIA Thu Jun 03, 2004 09:55pm

Quote:

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
I took Steve's solution.

Just don't call 10U.....

Why not?

FUBLUE Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:01pm

Did a 10U Tuesday by myself. I loved it! Both pitchers illegal, told both coaches, they're working on it. End of story. No one screaming about strike zone. Coach actually wanted to to call shin to shoulders, but I just came off of our FED state tourney, with a girl who supposedly throws in the mid-60's with precision...hard to get my zone to go that big.

When I took games for this league, I asked for all the 8U and 10U games...assignor wanted me on all the 12u and 14U games...just can't resist doing the 10U game.

whiskers_ump Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:14pm

Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
Quote:

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
I took Steve's solution.

Just don't call 10U.....

Why not?

To be completely honest, UIC never assigns me to the 10U.
Probably easiest game in town. Rarely have to get in the D
position. Just watch the lil darlings steal their one base,
and stand ready for the next pitch. Watched one the other day
waiting for my game, and the pitching was pretty darn good.

Dakota Fri Jun 04, 2004 08:26am

Just to clarify... I don't refuse 10U, but I don't ask for it either. I am rarely assigned 10U, since my association puts our rookies there (like my daughter) and they fill the commitments with the younger umpires (no room left for us old guys).

We have a veteran umpire who must be 6'8", if not taller. It is a real hoot to see him call a 10U game (he doesn't refuse them, either)!

We don't have 8U with umpires. Those kids play in various so-called in-house programs using coach-pitch, etc., and mostly coach-parent umpires. Personally, I question the value of an umpire at that level.

FUBLUE Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:06am

Quote:

Originally posted by Dakota


We have a veteran umpire who must be 6'8", if not taller. It is a real hoot to see him call a 10U game (he doesn't refuse them, either)!


Yeah, I'm 6'2" and it's hard enough...it would be interesting to see "stretch" get down for that strike zone.

Unfortunately, most of the 10U are done by rookies. It's a good learning experience, but I'd rather see rookies working 12U/14U league games to get experience at "how" plays are supposed to happen.

I like to work veterans on 10U, just for kicks.

kellerumps Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:21pm

Since I'm on a roll tonight posting. Working a 10-U from time to time is a real joy. No pressure, No stress, Players learning how the play the game or better yet...Players STILL HAVING FUN playing the game.

IRISHMAFIA Sat Jun 05, 2004 09:01am

Quote:

Originally posted by kellerumps
Since I'm on a roll tonight posting. Working a 10-U from time to time is a real joy. No pressure, No stress, Players learning how the play the game or better yet...Players STILL HAVING FUN playing the game.
Damn, they are supposed to be having FUN!?!? Sure wish you would tell the coaches and parents about that part.



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