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Glen G Wed Apr 28, 2004 08:44pm

On a fly ball in the outfield or a trapped ball in the infield should I yell 'no catch' or remain silent.

Glen G

whiskers_ump Wed Apr 28, 2004 08:52pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Glen G
On a fly ball in the outfield or a trapped ball in the infield should I yell 'no catch' or remain silent.

Glen G

ASA states that <b>The voice is used
only on FOUL BALLS and OUT CALLS, or a caught fly ball
over fair territory.</b> Guess they figure you, the
umpire, might be giving the base runners an advantage
by yelling, "no catch". Maybe base coacher was sleeping.

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[Edited by whiskers_ump on Apr 28th, 2004 at 09:59 PM]

bluezebra Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:05am

Trap..Give the "safe" sign. No verbalization.

chuck chopper Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:00am

Where is the voice use referenced in ASA literature, so I can refer to it with other Umps. I personally don't like infield traps to be just signaled. Why are traps in the outfield verbalized and in the infield not ?. Unless your now going to state traps in the outfield should also only be signaled & not voiced.

Andy Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:00am

I don't call "no catch" for the same reason I don't call "fair ball".

Even though I may say "no catch", a player may only hear "catch"!

I will however give an emphatic "safe" signal on a trapped ball. One thing that I have done as PU when there is a fly ball to the outfield and my partner does not see it as they are coming inside, I will say something like "the ball is on the ground" to let him/her know that we do not have a caught fly ball.

whiskers_ump Thu Apr 29, 2004 01:14pm

Quote:

Originally posted by chuck chopper
Where is the voice use referenced in ASA literature, so I can refer to it with other Umps. I personally don't like infield traps to be just signaled. Why are traps in the outfield verbalized and in the infield not ?. Unless your now going to state traps in the outfield should also only be signaled & not voiced.
chuck,

It is in the umpires section under Fair and Foul Balls
page 215 2004 book.

whiskers_ump Thu Apr 29, 2004 01:16pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Andy
I don't call "no catch" for the same reason I don't call "fair ball".

Even though I may say "no catch", a player may only hear "catch"!

I will however give an emphatic "safe" signal on a trapped ball. One thing that I have done as PU when there is a fly ball to the outfield and my partner does not see it as they are coming inside, I will say something like "the ball is on the ground" to let him/her know that we do not have a caught fly ball.

Andy,

I used the same procedure. I also let them know when possible,
that I have their back in case of quick throw to 1B and I have <u>no</u>
other runner responsiblities at that time.
unlined, reason for update.


[Edited by whiskers_ump on Apr 29th, 2004 at 10:32 PM]

kellerumps Thu Apr 29, 2004 07:04pm

Speaking NCAA.....Signal Safe only.

Del-Blue Fri Apr 30, 2004 04:11am

Never verbalize a fair or no catch. If you make your out and foul calls so the players can hear you, than when they hear nothing they should know it was fair or not a catch.

Believe me, when a ball goes foul by a few inches, or is caught on a diving catch, they know it.

Andy Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:43am

Quote:

Originally posted by Del-Blue
Believe me, when a ball goes foul by a few inches, or is caught on a diving catch, they know it.
One of my buddies claims that when he calls a foul ball, they stop play three fields over! :D

CecilOne Sun May 02, 2004 03:15pm

wrt "Believe me, when a ball goes foul by a few inches, or is caught on a diving catch, they know it. "

And the more baserunners there are, the louder I get.


Ditto to these comments:

Never verbalize a fair or no catch. If you make your out and foul calls so the players can hear you, than when they hear nothing they should know it was fair or not a catch.


Signal Safe only.


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