Haven't seen this (yet) but am wondering how I should call this ...

SCENARIO: BR is NOT IN THE RUNNING LANE when she should
be and gets hit on the throw to F3.

QUESTION:

Is BR out ONLY if the throw is coming from behind her, where the defensive player is looking at BR's back (like from the home-plate point of view)?

Or, asking another way, if a throw from F4 standing at 2nd base is off-target a couple yards; is BR out if she gets dinged from such an angle?


(Ump clinic, Apr. 3-4. Season starts 1st week of May.)

Thanks.

Speaking ASA.

The BR is not out for being out of the running lane and getting hit by a throw, regardless of where the throw comes from.

The BR is out for being out of the running lane and interfering with the fielder taking the throw at first base.

Doesn't sound like she was interfering with F3 taking the throw, so no, she would not be out.

"30' Running Lane"

THAT is some wide lane.

<b> "30' Running Lane"

THAT is some wide lane.

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bluezebra, must be a lot of speedsters in that league who make wide turns as they go to 2nd.

Surely he was referring to the distance...not the width.
Although it was presented as though he meant width.

But the distance of the 3' lane all depends on what type of softball you are playing, doesn't it?

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Sorry, just couldn't resist.

SO, as the coaches say, I blew another call.

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<b> But the distance of the 3' lane all depends on what type of softball you are playing, doesn't it?

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Uh, Mike, do you mean sober softball or otherwise?

ASA softball base distances range anywhere from 60' to 80'. Since the 3' lane is suppose to begin half way, that means that it can be anywhere from 30' to 40' long, sober or not.

Yikes ... what the ??? Are you guys all english majors ?? Funny stuff !!!


Anyway, my rule book only uses the phrase " 3 foot line ", and the diagram of the playing field shows it as 30 feet.

The glossary does say it is half the distance of the baseline distance, but my charts show 60' as that maximum.

So, I always call it the " 30 foot running lane " as opposed to something line 'that space between the 1st base line and the 3 foot line'.

I'd say 95% of the coaches I meet don't know what that lines there for anyway.


As always, great responses all around ... this board's the greatest !!

Regards ... bobbrix

I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly, you are basically a Dixie or LL umpire. Just a guess, feel free to correct.

You obviously deal with youth ball only, but since you didn't specify such, well, you sort of left the gate open for the rest of use to have a little fun.

Thanks,

Mike

Hi IRISHMAFIA,

Not "LL" and I'm not sure what "Dixie" includes, but yes, just youth girls FastPitch (Orthodox and Windmill) up here in Canada.

Our divisions, with the years the girls are born in are:

Mite - 1994/95
Squirt - 1992/93 (I also coach a Squirt B team.)
PeeWee - 1990/91
Bantam - 1988/89
Midget - 1985/86/87
then comes the Junior and Senior.

In Manitoba, each division through to Midget has a "C" league (Orthodox pitching) and then "B" and "A" divisions (Windmill). "A" teams are more or less private organizations while "B" and "C" teams play out of district community centers. Community centers typically only have teams from Mite-Midget.

I ump'd about 30 games last year and expect about the same this year. Mostly I do the younger ones, Mites-PeeWee for our area.

Not sure if you hoped for a long answer, but there it is!

Regards.

Sorry, was obviously thinking of someone else. BTW, please define "orthodox" as opposed to windmill. I suspect it is what ASA refers to as modified, but I'll be more than happy to wait for an answer from north of the border.

"(Orthodox and Windmill)"

Is that Greek Orthodox or Orthodox Jewish?

Church of Softball, Orthodox! http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/pope.gif

(Not sure why they call it orthodox, but they do ... we used to call it underhand, when i was a kid)

Here's some text from the Canadian Orthodox Church of Softball bible:

a) The release of the ball must be on the 1st forward swing of the pitching arm past the hip. The release must have a complete smooth follow-through with no abrupt stop of the arm near the hip.

b) The ball must not be outside the pitcher’s wrist and the wrist must not be farther from the body than the elbow on the downward motion and during the complete forward delivery.

c) On the forward swing of the pitching arm, the elbow does not have to be locked at the point of release. The driving hip must be squared to home plate when the ball is released.

d) She may take the ball behind the back on the backswing.

e) The delivery must be an underhand motion with the hand below the hip and the palm may be pointing downward or upward.

j) The pitcher’s arm should draw a figure eight during the complete motion or the pitcher may use a bowling style.


.... and ....

d) She does not use a windmill or slingshot type pitch or make a complete revolution in the delivery.
NOTE: A slingshot type pitch is defined as “turning the body toward the 1st and 3rd base and bending the elbow during the backswing”.



Over and out for today ... good night.

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