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SamNVa Mon Nov 17, 2003 05:51pm

Here's the situation, R1 on 2nd, 1 out, B10 up to bat. B10 flies out and both teams, thinking that this is the 3rd out, start to change sides. R1 who is the F2 on her team goes directly to home plate and starts putting on her gear which a considerate teammate has dropped there. Since R1/F2 never entered DBT, she is not out. so what do you do: <ol><li>if you are the BU and the PU has apparently lost track of the number of puts as well, or </li><p><li>if you are the PU or the LU and the fact is brought to your attention by the official scorekeeper, or </li><p><li>if you are the official scorekeeper and you seem to be the only one who knows that there are only 2 outs. </li></ol>
SamC

oppool Mon Nov 17, 2003 06:19pm

It all depends
 
If I am doing a tourny or league championship play I probably going to call DEAD BALL and reset everybody with 2 outs since R1 has not entered DBT. Reg. league play I am going to keep my mouth shut until someone brings it to my attention 1 less out that we have to worry about and we dont keep a book in league play here in SP

On #3. I till the PU and let him sort it out and thats all.


JMO

Don

IRISHMAFIA Tue Nov 18, 2003 01:03pm

Quote:

Originally posted by SamNVa
Here's the situation, R1 on 2nd, 1 out, B10 up to bat. B10 flies out and both teams, thinking that this is the 3rd out, start to change sides. R1 who is the F2 on her team goes directly to home plate and starts putting on her gear which a considerate teammate has dropped there. Since R1/F2 never entered DBT, she is not out. so what do you do: <ol><li>if you are the BU and the PU has apparently lost track of the number of puts as well, or </li><p><li>if you are the PU or the LU and the fact is brought to your attention by the official scorekeeper, or </li><p><li>if you are the official scorekeeper and you seem to be the only one who knows that there are only 2 outs. </li></ol>
SamC

I'm going to look at my indicator, check with my partner and then see how it plays out. If no one objects, play on.

I've seen this used as a strategy to end an inning. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Of course, all those anti-trickery folks will totally disagree with this, but there are two teams out there and if one is a bit smarter than the other, who am I to stop them ;)

Dakota Tue Nov 18, 2003 01:13pm

Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
Of course, all those anti-trickery folks will totally disagree with this, but there are two teams out there and if one is a bit smarter than the other, who am I to stop them ;)
Those folks lost out on the proposal to end the "unfair" rule allowing the batter to run on a supposed D3K. Personally, I like legal trickery. It allows creative and knowledgable teams to prevail. That is how it should be.

<u>However</u>, if both teams act as if an inning has ended, even though none of the requirements were met for the third out, does that mean it has, in fact, ended?

My question is not about whether the trickery should be allowed, but whether the trickery was successful if the runner did not enter DBT?


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