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Tru_in_Blu Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:39am

Throwing a bat
 
USA Softball application.

RS #52 speaks to ejecting a player who throws a bat in anger. Obviously, there may be different levels of anger and/or the forcefulness of the bat throw. The latter may reside in umpire’s judgment as to whether the action results in an ejection.

A question came up in a game recently where a batter popped the ball up, was angry about it, and “threw his bat” towards his team’s on deck circle. The umpire in this case called the batter out, but did not eject the player. The ball ended up not being caught costing the offense a base runner.

I’ve not been able to find rule support for calling the batter out. Would this have been grounds for protest?

Robert Goodman Fri Aug 25, 2023 07:41pm

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Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 1051120)
USA Softball application.

RS #52 speaks to ejecting a player who throws a bat in anger. Obviously, there may be different levels of anger and/or the forcefulness of the bat throw. The latter may reside in umpire’s judgment as to whether the action results in an ejection.

A question came up in a game recently where a batter popped the ball up, was angry about it, and “threw his bat” towards his team’s on deck circle. The umpire in this case called the batter out, but did not eject the player. The ball ended up not being caught costing the offense a base runner.

I’ve not been able to find rule support for calling the batter out. Would this have been grounds for protest?

Is it possible to be safe on base after being disqualified?

Tru_in_Blu Sun Aug 27, 2023 07:26am

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 1051123)
Is it possible to be safe on base after being disqualified?

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umpjim Sun Aug 27, 2023 08:21pm

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Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 1051130)
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Whoosh. I think that was the sound of @Robert Goodman's post going over your head. I think he was trying to assert that a disqualified/ejected play can't be safe and thus out. Your OP does not have a disqualified player but what softball rule puts him out? In baseball any ejection is effective after all playing action.

Tru_in_Blu Mon Aug 28, 2023 03:57pm

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Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 1051133)
Whoosh. I think that was the sound of @Robert Goodman's post going over your head. I think he was trying to assert that a disqualified/ejected play can't be safe and thus out. Your OP does not have a disqualified player but what softball rule puts him out? In baseball any ejection is effective after all playing action.

The OP doesn't have a disqualified or eject player mentioned. While the umpire did not eject the player, he did call the batter/runner out.

So, what softball rule puts him out?

And would this have been grounds for a protest?

Whoosh away. And Robert Goodman did not answer a question. He posted another, different question. So perhaps allow Robert Goodman to assert for himself.

Robert Goodman Tue Aug 29, 2023 07:21am

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Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 1051135)
The OP doesn't have a disqualified or eject player mentioned. While the umpire did not eject the player, he did call the batter/runner out.

So, what softball rule puts him out?

And would this have been grounds for a protest?

Whoosh away. And Robert Goodman did not answer a question. He posted another, different question. So perhaps allow Robert Goodman to assert for himself.

Umpjim understood me.

Tru_in_Blu Thu Aug 31, 2023 09:56pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 1051136)
Umpjim understood me.

Bless your hearts.

Tru_in_Blu Tue Sep 12, 2023 06:56am

Staying true to the OP and without introducing confusing additions, here is what some of my local guys believe.

There is no rule support for calling the batter out should he throw his bat in anger. It may be a moot point if the batter was retired.

The ball remains live until play has been completed.

It is umpire judgment as to whether to eject the player or not. Local bylaws aside, a team would need to replace the ejected player with a legal substitute. If there were no subs available, the game would be declared a forfeit.

The team whose batter was called out for throwing the bat would have a legitimate reason to protest the game.

If anyone has differing opinions, please provide appropriate citations.

This action relates to USA Softball. Other sanctions similar?

Cecil4 Sat Oct 14, 2023 08:52am

I believe ejections do not take effect until after playing action.

I don't know any rule for a player being out for bat throwing, except if it interferes with the defense making a play.

Let's not judge each other's posts. Either ask for clarification or ignore.

Robert Goodman Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:02am

I know it's not the focus of the original question, but...

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Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 1051120)
USA Softball application.

RS #52 speaks to ejecting a player who throws a bat in anger. Obviously, there may be different levels of anger and/or the forcefulness of the bat throw. The latter may reside in umpire’s judgment as to whether the action results in an ejection.

A question came up in a game recently where a batter popped the ball up, was angry about it, and “threw his bat” towards his team’s on deck circle.

Was the batter on deck sharing the bat?

Tru_in_Blu Sun Oct 15, 2023 07:37am

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 1051327)
I know it's not the focus of the original question, but...



Was the batter on deck sharing the bat?

That is not known.

Robert Goodman Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:15am

I suspect an umpire saw an action as being "in anger" based on facts other than those presented.


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