Reversed call at 1st with 2 outs

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Nothing precludes asking for help. One can if one wishes.

Correct.

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

In this replay age getting it right wins.

That was true before the "replay age".

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

If BU is in "A" (albeit in the wrong position), it would seem to me that he had all four elements of the play in front of him. That would make this a "Judgement Call", and would preclude him from asking for and getting "help".

And yet, the OPer said that F3 DID indeed pull her foot early.

I don't agree that this would "preclude him from asking for help".

So ultimately, and by whatever means they used, the umpires did end up getting the call at first base right.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

I'm not so sure it was handled correctly by the umpires.

I would love to know what the umpires discussed.
BU: Did I miss the call? (Not the question to ask)
PU: Yes, you did. (Not the appropriate response to the question)
Call is reversed (Wrong result)

If BU is in "A" (albeit in the wrong position), it would seem to me that he had all four elements of the play in front of him. That would make this a "Judgement Call", and would preclude him from asking for and getting "help".

Yes, a pulled foot is a legitimate appeal, but that is usually reserved for the calling umpire being, blocked, straight-lined, etc. and usually with BU in "C".
I wonder if there really was a valid appeal in this sitch.

If the conversation did go that way, the result should have been "Eat the bad call and survive the shit storm".

Why do you say no help on judgment calls?

[tcannizzo]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Why do you say no help on judgment calls?

Maybe I don't understand this question.

Assuming I do, let's use an extreme well-known example.
Jim Joyce, MLB Umpire who kicked a call that cost a pitcher a perfect game.

He knew he kicked the call.
His partners knew he kicked the call.

My question to you is, why didn't they get together and get it right?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Would you be asking if it was the second inning?

Yes, why? What inning was it and why would that matter?