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tcannizzo Thu Feb 18, 2016 09:11am

This is always situational depending on the level of play.
The times I have seen this, I actually "warned" the runner and her coach, rather than the defense.

IMO, defense can commit OBS all day long, not my problem; but the offense has zero right to physically move the defender out of the way.

In extremely low-level rec, I have, on occasion, casually mentioned to the defensive coach that there is a an increased risk of collision/injury for those players who always have their foot on the base, when there is no throw coming in.

Crabby_Bob Thu Feb 18, 2016 01:14pm

Lamar at UNLV 36:10
2.12.16 Lamar @ UNLV Softball on Livestream

jmkupka Thu Feb 18, 2016 04:25pm

Thanks for the link... got caught up watching this game... at 48:35 U1 rings up runner at 1B for a LBR violation; I can't see how he gets that from her actions (thought maybe she left early, but it wasn't a DDB)

CecilOne Thu Feb 18, 2016 05:52pm

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Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob (Post 981489)

After the call, all 3 umps, not just 2 ????

CecilOne Thu Feb 18, 2016 05:53pm

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Originally Posted by jmkupka (Post 981508)
Thanks for the link... got caught up watching this game... at 48:35 U1 rings up runner at 1B for a LBR violation; I can't see how he gets that from her actions (thought maybe she left early, but it wasn't a DDB)

I saw a 2-way flinch, couldn't tell if she moved her feet.

AtlUmpSteve Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:26pm

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 981535)
After the call, all 3 umps, not just 2 ????

Ok, so far no one had cited that NCAA handles this OP situation differently than the other rules.

Obstruction by a fielder that relates a runner rounding (the issue here) or returning to a base results in a player-specific warning, which the calling umpire must notify the plate umpire, who records the warning, and the PU must then officially advise the head coach. That's what happened here, and U1 stayed to address the coach with the exact observed details; U3 simply moved to where he had their blind-side back during that notification.

For those not up to date on NCAA, any repeat offense by the warned player adds a forward base award to the obstructed runner. For that reason, it has to have a process.

jmkupka Fri Feb 19, 2016 01:33pm

Fun game to watch Cecil... a little later, runner overslides 3B on a triple, gets picked off, 3B coach is ejected approx 2 seconds later...

Umpire@1 Sat Feb 20, 2016 09:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcannizzo (Post 981416)
This is always situational depending on the level of play.
The times I have seen this, I actually "warned" the runner and her coach, rather than the defense.

IMO, defense can commit OBS all day long, not my problem; but the offense has zero right to physically move the defender out of the way.

In extremely low-level rec, I have, on occasion, casually mentioned to the defensive coach that there is a an increased risk of collision/injury for those players who always have their foot on the base, when there is no throw coming in.

Sorry,but I disagree with your comments on the offense doesn't have the right physically move the defense. if the first base person continues to stay on the inside edge of the base when the BR is going for more than one base on a base hit, and she gets knocked on her butt. Too bad!!! Get out of the way!!!

Tru_in_Blu Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:09pm

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Originally Posted by Umpire@1 (Post 981783)
Sorry,but I disagree with your comments on the offense doesn't have the right physically move the defense. if the first base person continues to stay on the inside edge of the base when the BR is going for more than one base on a base hit, and she gets knocked on her butt. Too bad!!! Get out of the way!!!

I think there's a pendulum swing here...

tcannizzo Sun Feb 21, 2016 06:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Umpire@1 (Post 981783)
Sorry,but I disagree with your comments on the offense doesn't have the right physically move the defense. if the first base person continues to stay on the inside edge of the base when the BR is going for more than one base on a base hit, and she gets knocked on her butt. Too bad!!! Get out of the way!!!

Interesting. The only rights I am aware that the baserunner has is her chosen path to a base. There is a rule that supports this.

If I see a runner intentionally knock a defender on her butt, I have another rule that I can enforce as appropriate to the action.

But you write that this is just a part of the softball game?
I am ready to be enlightened with a rule that supports this.


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