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Mikie Thu Aug 13, 2015 08:22pm

ASA "pinch runner"
 
I need some clarification on a rule. Let me set the situation.
Teams have already played 7 innings with one courtesy runner for each team. Score is tied and the home team is batting. No one is on base and there are no outs. The batter come up and hits a base hit stays at first. All game, this guy has had a courtesy runner who was the last out. The last out was a runner who does not run so well, so the team puts in a individual that had not played all game off the bench. That person flies around after a ground ball was hit and scores. Game over.

I spoke with one of the coaches after the game he said that they can replace any person on the field with someone on the bench. Where as I do agree to that comment, my question is, once the person that is being replaced hits, can you replace that person? If this is the case, why wouldn't every team line there benches with fast runners that can hit and let big slower running hitters hit and then leave the game? I have been in numerous leagues and according to ASA rules, a batter has to run the bases unless they request a courtesy runner or are injured. I understand we don't play fully by ASA rules, but if this is the case, what is the point of the courtesy runner?

jdubinski Thu Aug 13, 2015 08:48pm

Courtesy runner allows the bajtter to stay in the game without using a sub and reentry. Having subs come in off the bench to run is fine. It's actually the way it should be.

IRISHMAFIA Thu Aug 13, 2015 09:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikie (Post 965827)
I need some clarification on a rule. Let me set the situation.
Teams have already played 7 innings with one courtesy runner for each team. Score is tied and the home team is batting. No one is on base and there are no outs. The batter come up and hits a base hit stays at first. All game, this guy has had a courtesy runner who was the last out. The last out was a runner who does not run so well, so the team puts in a individual that had not played all game off the bench. That person flies around after a ground ball was hit and scores. Game over.

I spoke with one of the coaches after the game he said that they can replace any person on the field with someone on the bench. Where as I do agree to that comment, my question is, once the person that is being replaced hits, can you replace that person? If this is the case, why wouldn't every team line there benches with fast runners that can hit and let big slower running hitters hit and then leave the game? I have been in numerous leagues and according to ASA rules, a batter has to run the bases unless they request a courtesy runner or are injured. I understand we don't play fully by ASA rules, but if this is the case, what is the point of the courtesy runner?

They are correct, they can provide a legal substitute for any player at any time.

Lacking specific information I have to believe the courtesy runner thing is a local rule, not ASA

CecilOne Fri Aug 14, 2015 07:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikie (Post 965827)
I need some clarification on a rule. Let me set the situation.
Teams have already played 7 innings with one courtesy runner for each team. Score is tied and the home team is batting. No one is on base and there are no outs. The batter come up and hits a base hit stays at first. All game, this guy has had a courtesy runner who was the last out. The last out was a runner who does not run so well, so the team puts in a individual that had not played all game off the bench. That person flies around after a ground ball was hit and scores. Game over.

I spoke with one of the coaches after the game he said that they can replace any person on the field with someone on the bench. Where as I do agree to that comment, my question is, once the person that is being replaced hits, can you replace that person? If this is the case, why wouldn't every team line there benches with fast runners that can hit and let big slower running hitters hit and then leave the game? I have been in numerous leagues and according to ASA rules, a batter has to run the bases unless they request a courtesy runner or are injured. I understand we don't play fully by ASA rules, but if this is the case, what is the point of the courtesy runner?

Is this Seniors? Or a local rule?

BretMan Fri Aug 14, 2015 08:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikie (Post 965827)
I have been in numerous leagues and according to ASA rules, a batter has to run the bases unless they request a courtesy runner or are injured.

There's no ASA rule that says that.

MD Longhorn Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:15am

Either your league uses odd rules that we can't help you with... or you've vastly misunderstood the difference between a courtesy runner and a substitute.


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