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Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 13, 2002, 01:12pm
Replies: 101
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Posted By GarthB
And yet it keeps on going

Peter:

At RSO this thread has been continued for over 60 additional posts.

Congratulations.

GB
Forum: Baseball Thu Aug 08, 2002, 11:17am
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Mike: According to the JEA this provision...

Mike:

According to the JEA this provision was added in 1897 to avoid the hidden ball trick and to stop the practed of alluring the baserunner into running thinking the pitcher has committed to the...
Forum: Baseball Thu Aug 08, 2002, 11:01am
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Papa C: <b>1. Obviously, it SHOULD be a balk if...

Papa C: <b>1. Obviously, it SHOULD be a balk if the pitcher (defense) conspires illegally to create an out. Jim Porter is 100% right.

2. Obviously, it AIN'T a balk. It's black letter law, plain as...
Forum: Baseball Wed Aug 07, 2002, 04:09pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
<B>"1) Runners can most certainly advance during...

<B>"1) Runners can most certainly advance during a dead ball. Base awards and on dead ball balks!"</b>

Okay, and how vulnerable are they to deception and being picked off in those situations, Jer?...
Forum: Baseball Wed Aug 07, 2002, 12:00pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Jerry: The rule book doesn't say the umpire...

Jerry:

The rule book doesn't say the umpire can't beat the catcher senseless for miss a pitch that hits him. But I wouldn't recommend it. In reality the rule book is slim on information in may...
Forum: Baseball Wed Aug 07, 2002, 11:49am
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Talking What's really interesting Tee is that the current...

What's really interesting Tee is that the current general opinion is that Rick Roder is writing the emails for WUA.

You remember Rick...he's a co-author of a book that someone claimed supported...
Forum: Baseball Wed Aug 07, 2002, 10:55am
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Talking Richard: My question and response were both a...

Richard: My question and response were both a bit more brief, but the result is the same.

I hope that Mr. Boone and Insatty are satisfied:

Copy of email to and from the WUA:

<b>>...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 05:42pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Your theatre training shows.....

The art of deception is second only to the art of mis-direction. It is obvious you have mastered both.

Facts are facts Jim:

<i>"J/R does not say a balk cannot be called during a dead ball....
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 04:42pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Stranger: I have no problem with either of...

Stranger:

I have no problem with either of us agreeing that the rule book does not say that it CAN happen or that it CANNOT happen. However, unlike you, since it does not say it CAN happen, I...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 03:37pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
The stranger claims: <b>"I strongly feel I...

The stranger claims:

<b>"I strongly feel I have not lied. I said, quite clearly, that those sources do not say that a balk cannot be called during a dead ball. That's not a lie."</b>

This is...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 03:04pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Dear Stranger: I never said said "J/R...

Dear Stranger:


I never said said "J/R agrees with me."

I never said "JEA agrees with me"

I never lied.

I said there is no support for calling a balk during a deadball. The real Jim...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 02:38pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Thumbs down I was going to walk away from this understanding...

I was going to walk away from this understanding that we must agree to disagree, then you did something out of your usual character. You purposely slanted a resource to deceive others. You should...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 02:26pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Tee: I'm joining you. It's beginning to...

Tee:

I'm joining you. It's beginning to remind me of the old Dorothy Parkerism, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think."

GB
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 02:20pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
</b>"F1 cheats while the ball is dead, then you...

</b>"F1 cheats while the ball is dead, then you may have something."</b>


Cheats? CHEATS <b>CHEATS</b>? He faked out an idiot umpire. That's cheating? Since when?

Again, how about the...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 02:15pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Sorry Jim, too late to try to rise above third...

Sorry Jim, too late to try to rise above third world plays. You have embraced one.

If now you want to say that you would only call a balk during a dead ball when you feel it merits it and not at...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 02:04pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Okay I surrender. Either common sense is...

Okay

I surrender. Either common sense is not very common or, it its other meaning, it is too "common" indeed.

<b>"Penalize the balk"</b>

By all means, Mr. insatty, at your very next...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 01:56pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
insatty: <B>"A player or team that deceives the...

insatty: <B>"A player or team that deceives the umpire is cheating, which is ground for ejection. An umpire, therefore, should penalize cheating, whether the ball is live or dead.</b>

Any umpire...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 01:46pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Jim: R1, Ball is batted foul. Ball is...

Jim:

R1, Ball is batted foul. Ball is thrown to F1 who is on the grass about ten feet from the mound. After rubbing up the new ball and still on the grass, he simulates his delivery. He's off...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 01:18pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
<b>"Not to seem offensive, but I've always...

<b>"Not to seem offensive, but I've always considered this situation to be plain common sense. </b>

Me, too. Common sense dictates that we follow the requirments for a live ball. Common sense...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 01:14pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Lonesome: A problem with your position, Jim...

Lonesome:

A problem with your position, Jim is that you cannot limit it to one play unless you attempt to pervert 9.01(c) You are saying that pitchers can balk during a dead ball.

Takes Friex's...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 12:59pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Jim: Absent an unamed, retired umpire who...

Jim:

Absent an unamed, retired umpire who would never had seen such a play, you will most likely remain a lone voice. I exclude Boone from your company, because he seems to think the ball is...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 12:09pm
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Apples and oranges. I didn't see that the ball...

Apples and oranges. I didn't see that the ball did not hit the batter. I DID see, by way of the play, that the ball was not legally in play, and it is my obligation to observe the rules of the OBR...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 11:58am
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
<B>"garth. The play said the plate guy was...

<B>"garth. The play said the plate guy was deceived. He didn't know it. GET IT?"</b>

Yes, unfortunately I get that you do not recognize the umpire's obligation to get the play right when he...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 11:50am
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
<b>"the chickanery happened during dead ball but...

<b>"the chickanery happened during dead ball but the balk wasn't called until the ball was put in play."</b>


Boone:

The ball could not have LEGALLY been put in play under the cirumstances and...
Forum: Baseball Tue Aug 06, 2002, 11:09am
Replies: 101
Views: 7,813
Posted By GarthB
Talking Peter: Somebody should relate to the...

Peter:

Somebody should relate to the un-named (and justifiably so) retired (even more justifiably so) "Major League" umpire a quote made often on the internet.


<i>"If you don't see it in MLB,...
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