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Forum: Basketball Thu Jan 27, 2011, 11:44pm
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Posted By just another ref
The "immediate" reaction might be 10 seconds...

The "immediate" reaction might be 10 seconds later, or more. Whistle has blown, ball is long since dead. No way this retaliation can be a personal foul.
So if you were gonna label the whole fight...
Forum: Basketball Thu Jan 27, 2011, 04:13pm
Replies: 57
Views: 3,884
Posted By just another ref
Yeah, but. True, the case play you cite calls it...

Yeah, but. True, the case play you cite calls it a double personal, although, as stated above, I have a problem with it. Next, one size doesn't fit all. Same play, except A1 swings and misses, B1...
Forum: Basketball Thu Jan 27, 2011, 03:59pm
Replies: 57
Views: 3,884
Posted By just another ref
But when does the ball become dead? A1 punches...

But when does the ball become dead? A1 punches B1. Ball is dead. A split second later, B1 punches back. Are the double flagrants personal or technical. Answer. Undefined? And it really doesn't...
Forum: Basketball Thu Jan 27, 2011, 02:24pm
Replies: 57
Views: 3,884
Posted By just another ref
Okay, I see your point. It takes two to make a...

Okay, I see your point. It takes two to make a fight. But if only one punches, and the other

a. runs away
b. takes it without a response
c. falls to the floor

only one is penalized.

But...
Forum: Basketball Thu Jan 27, 2011, 02:15pm
Replies: 57
Views: 3,884
Posted By just another ref
4-18-1 goes on to use the phrase ''regardless of...

4-18-1 goes on to use the phrase ''regardless of whether contact is made."
I have heard it stated that a fight starts with either the beginning of the first punch or the act which provoked it. ...
Forum: Basketball Thu Jan 27, 2011, 02:11pm
Replies: 57
Views: 3,884
Posted By just another ref
Fighting takes at least 2, so if it's a double...

Fighting takes at least 2, so if it's a double flagrant, it really doesn't matter whether it's personal or technical, the penalty is the same.
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