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Forum: Basketball Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:12am
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Views: 2,168
Posted By rwest
How About 9-9-2

9-9-2 is more to the OP. It states that a team with control in the backcourt can not cause the ball to get front court status (doesn't have to be in player control) and then cause it to go into the...
Forum: Basketball Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:19pm
Replies: 26
Views: 2,168
Posted By rwest
Player control is not required

Team control is what is required and the ball has to have front court status. If you are passing the ball around in the front court, there is no player control but there is team control. If A2...
Forum: Basketball Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:13pm
Replies: 26
Views: 2,168
Posted By rwest
Actually

There is a case play that predates the change to the team control on a throw in that says if the A1 throws the ball with backspin into the front court causing the ball to obtain front court status...
Forum: Basketball Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:11pm
Replies: 26
Views: 2,168
Posted By rwest
Violation

There was team control and the ball obtained front court status. There doesn't have to be team control per se in the front court. At least not based on case plays. There is a case play where the...
Forum: Basketball Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:03pm
Replies: 48
Views: 4,500
Posted By rwest
So, you are ignoring the displacement?

Adam, are you going to ignore the displacement just because the offensive player used the ball instead of his/her arm/hand?
Forum: Basketball Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:52pm
Replies: 16
Views: 1,945
Posted By rwest
By Rule

If you have definitive knowledge of how much time should be on the clock, you put that much time on and line them up.

In Georgia, we are told in this situation to put .3 seconds on the clock and...
Forum: Basketball Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:09am
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
One other point

If we can disregard any case play because we don't THINK it is compatible with the rule book, then any one of use can disregard any arguments made using the case book. All we have to say is the case...
Forum: Basketball Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:02am
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
This goes to another fundamental difference we have

The written word can easily be interpreted in a way the writer did not intend. People infer things. I think this is one of the problems with the LGP debate. The rule does not say LGP is only...
Forum: Basketball Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:46am
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
I guess we will just have to disagree then

I think too many people get hung up on what I consider the red herring argument. That is A1 crashes into B2 who does not have LGP on A1. The argument you and others have made is that he doesn't...
Forum: Basketball Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:18am
Replies: 21
Views: 2,202
Posted By rwest
Yes he does have LGP, at least according to NFHS

I believe there was an official interp that came out years ago. I can't find it but the official interp is that the prone player does have LGP. I disagree with their logic but it is what it is. I...
Forum: Basketball Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:47am
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
No B2 was stationary in my OP. In the Case Play...

No B2 was stationary in my OP. In the Case Play below movement is inferred by many people and I agree that it is not an unrealistic inference. However, let me draw your attention to this part of...
Forum: Basketball Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:10pm
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
No I'm not

Once LGP is established you are correct. The foot in the air means nothing. I said that the defender had NOT OBTAINED LGP. Or at least I meant to. The foot in the air when moving to OBTAINED LGP...
Forum: Basketball Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:40pm
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
Wow!

I have kept this debate civil and now just because you can't prove me wrong you insult my rule knowledge! You have yet to prove that LGP is only required on a moving player. You can't even point to...
Forum: Basketball Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:29pm
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
For purposes of this discussion stationary = 2...

For purposes of this discussion stationary = 2 feet on the floor and not moving.

Nothing says you have to be moving to obtain or that you can only obtain while moving.

Would you not agree...
Forum: Basketball Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:25pm
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
Yes but

I agree, however, a player may also be stationary to obtain LGP. Which means LGP is required for a stationary player in this instance.

SITUATION 13: A1 is dribbling near the sideline when B1...
Forum: Basketball Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:07am
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
And...

And no where does it say that LGP NEVER applies to a stationary player. You can't find it anywhere in the rule book. You are inferring something from what you have read. And I do have this case...
Forum: Basketball Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:35am
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
I can agree with this

It was the exact argument I made when the new ruling came out. However, a stationary player with one foot in and one foot out doesn't have LGP and for that reason can be called for a block even if...
Forum: Basketball Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:32am
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
I have addressed this

I have addressed this. Was B1 guarding A2? No! Doesn't need LGP in that instance. A2 can't run him over. I have a charge.

Was he guarding him then turned his back to A2 for a possible rebound?...
Forum: Basketball Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:22am
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
In some instances yes!

If B2 is guarding A2 when A1 drives the lane. If B2 moves to guard A2 but does not have two feet on the floor when contact occurs in the chest then I have a block. Why? Because the defender never...
Forum: Basketball Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:12am
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
Yes it does

If LGP does not apply to a stationary defender in SOME instances why is the definition to obtain LGP you must have two feet on the floor and facing your opponent. Because it does in SOME instances...
Forum: Basketball Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:08pm
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
Lgp

LGP is a status that applies to both stationary and moving players who are in the act of guarding. The LGP rules states that to obtain LGP a player must have both feet on the court. This applies to...
Forum: Basketball Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:38pm
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
Maybe we can agree on this

A stationary player who is in the act of guarding requires LGP. Do you agree with that statement?
Forum: Basketball Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:28pm
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
We are almost in agreement

The only thing I disagree with is that a stationary player does not need LGP. In some cases they do. A stationary player who is guarding an offensive player must start with LGP. They then can move...
Forum: Basketball Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:42pm
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
So are you saying

So are you saying it is legal for the defender to have one foot in bounds and one foot out of bounds?
Forum: Basketball Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:34pm
Replies: 97
Views: 10,347
Posted By rwest
That's easy

For the same reason we don't call a violation when a defender loses their balance and steps out of bounds. They didn't intend to step out of bounds. Intent is required. In most cases they probably...
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