Anybody have the Part 2 test and/or answer key?

We take the exam on Tuesday night, so I'll get it then.

yes, I'm looking at it as we speek. I took it last week . Missed two q's dam it . Why do you ask , may I ask ?

On the Part I exam, there were a few questions for which the answer key and rule references did not have any correlation to the question. Is that the case with the Part II test, too?
I took it, too, but I don't have my score back. Did you get the answers at the time of the exam?

Are the answers at this web site supposed to be for the 2003 NFHS Part 2 exam:
http://www.mcoa.org/football/

Please advise, James Neil, or anyone else who's taken it.

We take the test open book so I had the benefit of being able to look up any answer to any questions I wasn't 100% sure on. And that was most of them so I really got into it LOL . All the questions and answers correlated pretty much as far as I could tell. I did the test at home and turned it in at last weeks meeting. I got it back corrected at the end of the meeting. I figure most of us will have done the test by Wed. I'll be glad to send the answer key to any who'd like it at that time

They are NOT the answers I have for the NFHS 2003 test part 2. Might be last years .

Still waiting on my part 2. State seems to be running slow this year on getting things out for some reason.

To James Neil:

The Part 2 test isn't meant to be open book. I wouldn't be broadcasting the fact that you were allowed to take it open book too loudly. Your state may find out about it and you won't be working anywhere this year. I am taking the test tonight. I have studied my buns off for it. I'm hoping for a 95% or better. Then I never have to take the test again.

Different states use the tests in different ways. In some states part II is a closed book test. Other states give it as an open book test. Some states do not give part 2 at all.

It all depends on your state assn.

In Illinois.
 

It is in Illinois, if you are going for promotion from a Registered to Recognized official (rankings). But it is taken on the same day throughout the state, with a time limit (2 hours). It is a closed book test for those going from a rank of Recognized to Certified, with the same time limit. And if you are not going for promotion or you are already Certified, you might never take the Part 2 Exam. At least if you are Certified and you pay your dues for the rest of your career, you will never have to take it again.

Peace

I see. Oh well. I am in Iowa so I guess I'll have to leave the books at home.

Part 2
 

That link above was the the 2003 Part II test, but in Florida. Florida does not use the same version of the test as other states (some cheating going on a few years back)

Never have to take the test again? What good does that do anybody? We, too, get it open book but I've always thought it should be closed book, put your name on it and get your grade posted. That would get a few guys to crack open the books more often.

"If" or "may?"
 

What good does the test do anyone? When I go on the field and think to myself, "Question #24 on the Part 2 Exam is the reason we are not going to play this game."

These tests are a joke. They do not prove anything. You cannot officiate with the logic these questions ask. If anything, that is what the Part 1 Exam is for. And if you need a test to get you to crack the books, then you are not serious about officiating in the first place. Just like many do not run or workout at all to get ready for the season, which is something I do more of than try to remember if the rulebook mean, "if" or "may." I spend more time looking at the rulebook to think of situations that have actually happen to me on the field than for the test. Because if test are the reason you pick up the book, what do you do when all of them are done?

Peace

Don't give out the key to part II.
 

Our state rep in Hawaii requested us not to discuss the NFHS part II exam with anyone. We had to turn in the test and answer sheet when we took the test. It was a closed book-timed test (75 minutes) given state-wide to all associations.

The main reason we were told not to discuss the test is that the integrity of the exam will be compromised if the answers are available to officials who will be sitting for the exam at a later date.

I would advise every official not to discuss the part II exam with anyone at this time until it is clear that the test has been administered in all jurisdictions.

I was reading about the cheating scandal at West Point back in the early 1950s and the potential for abuse is very similar. We should not give out the answer sheet to anybody because it will provide an unfair advantage to officials who have access to the key and have not yet taken the exam.

What is the advantage of having a higher classification pursuant to the Part 2 test? Does anyone make more money as a "Superior" than as an "Approved"?

Re: Don't give out the key to part II.
 

That is like trying to stop a fly coming in your house with the screen door opening. If Hawaii and these other states have such a problem with the "information" getting out, then give your own test. Florida does it apparently.

If the test was so important anyway, why would the NF allow Athletic Rules Study give out their past tests for review? I think there were about 40 questions that were asked right off the CD (or past test). It seems like Athletic Rules Study defeats the purpose of what so many think is "vital" to officiating. All you have to do is memorize the questions with the answers, and you answer in autodrive.

Peace

I agree with the earlier post. I do well on the test every year, but this test HARDLY distinguishes between the good officials and the bad officials. This test just studys how much you read the rulebook. Does nothing to determine how good you officiate a game. It's just memorization. One question a few years ago was concerning the coaches box vs where the players should be. Refering to the players on the sideline can't be in the coaches box. I DARE any official to flag a team for their players being in the coaches box but off the field. I triple-dog dare them!

No need to dare or flag. Just find your "get back" coach! :)

Cain, with regards to testing, the exam isn't designed to distinguish between a good official and a bad official. It's purpose is to get us to open the rule book, to study the case book, and to have an understanding of how to adinistrate the game. Lack of rules knowledge, the inability to handle situations and not being able to administer the game does distinguish between a bad official from a bad one.

bktball-

A "get back" coach for keeping the players out of the coaches box?

If they are off the field, and not in my way, and not outside the 25's, ...I don't care where they stand.

Cain,

If they're in the coaches box, they're in the way.

I would really like to double check my answers on Part II. Anybody wanna trade?

Part II Answers
 

I took the test last week and wrote down my True answers.
My state has graded the test and I did (98%)
Here are the answers that I had a TRUE:
3 4 7 8 9
11 13 15 16 20
21 27 28 32 36
44 45 46 52 54
55 56 57 59 60
63 65 66 67 73
75 76 77 79 80
82 86 88 90 92 94
96 97 98 100

Here are the two you missed!!!
 

FYI-
You missed number 10 (4-2-2e(1) and
You missed number 99 (8-2-3)

Well, that's fine for you. But I have no desire to spend time in the hospital. If I have 50 players behind me are in the coaching box and a sweep copmes my way, where in the hell am I going? It's like STEVED21 said, If they're in the coaches box, they're in the way. I can't operate, the chain crew can't operate and if the players are in the box, the coaches are on the field.

GET BACK!
 

Keep those kids back! Coaches box is just for that... coaches. If you let th ekids abuse it, then the coaches move out on to the field. BOTH are in your way! Players in the PLAYERS box, coaches in the COCHES box. EVERYONE off the field!!!!!!!!!! if youare not in the play! {coaches that means you}. Sideline warning will clear them out quickly. Coaches know that it means 15 yds next time, and very few coaches will want a 15 yarder.

Please keep your sidelines clear. Saftey is a huge concer for yourself AND players AND coaches. We had an official in IN who ended up wiht 32 stitches, overnight stay because a "video crew" got to close down field. I am sure the $$ check did not cover the hospital stay. As the white hat, my DIRECTIVE to my wings are keep it clear & safe. It only take 1.

Re: GET BACK!
 

Remember it is a free warning first, then a 5 yarder, then 15 yarders.

KWH,

Thanks. I'll take another look at those two questions.