Ill-legal block?

[HLin NC]

1) OPI- A's restriction begins at the snap.

2) Legal- ball has traveled 10 yards- see 9.3.8 B

[Juxone]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

1) OPI- A's restriction begins at the snap.

2) Legal- ball has traveled 10 yards- see 9.3.8 B

I agree the ball is legal, but the question is since K made contact with R before the ball is touched (either in the air or bouncing on the ground) under federation rules can K "bowl over" R before the ball is touched?

[HLin NC]

Read the case play.

And bowling over is not part of your original post.

[Juxone]

My posting's here are not intended to spark argument simply to gain input... in my original post I did not ask if it was a legal kick either. The core of the question is (since it is a legal kick) would contact with R be legal prior to touching the ball. I thought contact with R before touching was a foul? As well as "bowling over" or are they separate fouls?

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by Juxone

My posting's here are not intended to spark argument simply to gain input... in my original post I did not ask if it was a legal kick either. The core of the question is (since it is a legal kick) would contact with R be legal prior to touching the ball. I thought contact with R before touching was a foul? As well as "bowling over" or are they separate fouls?

Why would you think that?

9-3

ART. 8 . . . No member of the kicking team shall initiate contact to (block) an opponent on a free kick until:

a. The legal kick has traveled 10 yards;

b. The kicking team is eligible to recover a free-kicked ball; or

c. The receiving team initiates a block within the neutral zone.

[Juxone]

The question to me was "why did I think that.."

because I was confused. ART. 8 . . . No member of the kicking team shall initiate contact to (block) an opponent on a free kick until:

a. The legal kick has traveled 10 yards;

b. The kicking team is eligible to recover a free-kicked ball; or

c. The receiving team initiates a block within the neutral zone.

IS A "anded with (B or C) which would then mean that

1. A must be true AND either B or C must be true,

In the question A is true b or c not necessarily true.

Hence the question.

[Adam]

A or B or C

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Juxone

My posting's here are not intended to spark argument simply to gain input... in my original post I did not ask if it was a legal kick either. The core of the question is (since it is a legal kick) would contact with R be legal prior to touching the ball. I thought contact with R before touching was a foul? As well as "bowling over" or are they separate fouls?

HLinNC didn't address the legality of the kick. He said "Legal" then a dash, then "ball has traveled 10 yards," meaning once the ball travels beyond the receiving line, K can contact R.

Once any of the 3 conditions in 9-3-8 are met, K can contact R. Think about it. Do you really think that on a kick to R's 1 yard line, no one is making contact until the returner touches the ball.

[Reffing Rev.]

KCI potential?

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

KCI potential?

Yes, if an R player is in position to catch the kick. But that wasn't specified in the OP.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

KCI potential?

Yes. If you make the play something it was not, then yes. But feel free to make the play something it was not... OP did.