Pat Haden, USC, and the Refs

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Alright, we know he is the visiting team's AD, but would the officials?

Admittedly I didn't see the game, just the ESPN highlights and discussion, where I didn't see any difference between any other team assistant getting into a conversation between the official and the HC. I have to say I probably wouldn't know the difference between another one of the visiting team's assistants and the AD. Then again I work with more than just a 12 school conference, so they may have known.

That being said, If he pulled anything like a "I'm the AD" into the conversation, that is getting a detailed entry into the post-game report.

I would be shocked if the officials did not know who the ADs are at a particular university in a conference game setting. And Pat Haden is one of the most high profile guys in that conference. He is on the Playoff Committee as well. I am sure not only do they know who the ADs are at those schools, they have probably had some interaction with each of them at some point. And it did not look like Haden was even in coach gear so him talking to them should have been known. Either way, I am just tired of how we pass on the actions of sidelines. It really does not matter to me one way or the other if they know who Haden was or not, but why do we insist on taking their crap. I have always heard we advocate what we promote essentially and to me (and I am included in this) need to stop taking their crap all the time.

Peace

[Sturno]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would be shocked if the officials did not know who the ADs are at a particular university in a conference game setting. And Pat Haden is one of the most high profile guys in that conference. He is on the Playoff Committee as well. I am sure not only do they know who the ADs are at those schools, they have probably had some interaction with each of them at some point. And it did not look like Haden was even in coach gear so him talking to them should have been known. Either way, I am just tired of how we pass on the actions of sidelines. It really does not matter to me one way or the other if they know who Haden was or not, but why do we insist on taking their crap. I have always heard we advocate what we promote essentially and to me (and I am included in this) need to stop taking their crap all the time.

Peace

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[parepat]

What was the USC for? Had he had a warning and two 5 yarders already; was there contact with an official; did he get the USC for arguing the warning?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by parepat

What was the USC for? Had he had a warning and two 5 yarders already; was there contact with an official; did he get the USC for arguing the warning?

It appears it was simply for unsporting conduct when trying to argue the targeting call, which the HC later said he was wrong about arguing. You do not have to get a warning when you cross the line.

Peace

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It appears it was simply for unsporting conduct when trying to argue the targeting call, which the HC later said he was wrong about arguing. You do not have to get a warning when you cross the line.

Peace

The targeting foul happened after the UNS. The thing that started this was a DOG/sideline interference (assume for being in the white) during a FG on the end of the field. I'm guessing the H had talked about this previously and done the required warnings. The UNS happened before the kick between the HC and the S. The targeting foul was on the subsequent kick return.

[Reffing Rev.]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

The targeting foul happened after the UNS. The thing that started this was a DOG/sideline interference (assume for being in the white) during a FG on the end of the field. I'm guessing the H had talked about this previously and done the required warnings. The UNS happened before the kick between the HC and the S. The targeting foul was on the subsequent kick return.

The POE on the manual this year and Reddings notes mention we want those sidelines cleaned up...we ve let them out of the cages too far for too long, they aren't just going to get back there.

After the fact I realized that it was definitely probable that the officials on a conference staff would know the AD's in the conference.

Sidebar question: we know the playoff committee picks the final 4 teams but does anyone know how the officials will be assigned for the playoffs?

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am just tired of how we pass on the actions of sidelines. It really does not matter to me one way or the other if they know who Haden was or not, but why do we insist on taking their crap. I have always heard we advocate what we promote essentially and to me (and I am included in this) need to stop taking their crap all the time. Peace

It's not about proving who has the biggest...ego, it's about managing a particuler sideline, in a particular game and the one person with that responsibility made a judgment (regardless of what a sportswriter felt would make a great opportunity to blow air up under some skirts).

There should be absolutely no doubt exactly how big the stick we all carry actually is, the only question is under what circumstances WE CHOOSE to smack someone with it.

Flagging, disqualifying or otherwise embarrassing Hayden, aside from creating a couple of weeks of follow-up articles and punishing a team for an emotional outburst of a non-player, seems to accomplish little, if anything.

As for what influence this situation may, or may not have on any Administrative, or other non-player, personnel at other games at different levels, the FACT remains, we each carry the same BIG STICK and maintain the sole authority, as well as responsibility, to decide WHEN and WHERE, and perhaps most importantly WHETHER the unique situation we're dealing with requires USING IT

[HLin NC]

He got a reprimand and $25K fine, announced this afternoon.

I dare say he'll pull that trick again. Sarkesian was on The Herd and admitted he screwed up but gave the same ole "fightin' fur muh kids" BS we hear out of most coaches when they try to explain 4 year old behavior.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

He got a reprimand and $25K fine, announced this afternoon.

Was the fine for talking to the officials or for the text message he claimed he received from the sideline asking him to come down? Supposedly, the text message was against NCAA (administrative?) rules, but there is no penalty.