Pat Haden, USC, and the Refs

[Juxone]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Shoulda remained upstairs where you belong.......

USC Trojans AD Pat Haden confronts officials during game after penalty on coach Steve Sarkisian - ESPN Los Angeles

Could NOT agree more.... stay off the field.

[HLin NC]

PAC-12 will wag their finger at him half menacingly.

[JRutledge]

They crew should have flagged him and penalized USC further. What was he going to do to them in the first place?

This is what bugs me about football officiating. We allow any level of disrespect and do it in the effort of "Well let us use common sense." If this happen in most sports, no one would have thought twice about penalizing someone associated with the team. I really wish this attitude would go away. Not saying we have to be flag happy, but there is too much concerned with who we piss off.

Peace

[Forksref]

Total lack of class on Haden's part. I lost a lot of respect for him.

Now, we are faced with the possibility of HS AD's doing something stupid like that.

[Sturno]

Originally Posted by Forksref

Total lack of class on Haden's part. I lost a lot of respect for him.

Now, we are faced with the possibility of HS AD's doing something stupid like that.

That's happened already.....I can vouch for it.

[HLin NC]

Trust me, PAC-12 officials know who Pat Haden is.

[Reffing Rev.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They crew should have flagged him and penalized USC further. What was he going to do to them in the first place?

This is what bugs me about football officiating. We allow any level of disrespect and do it in the effort of "Well let us use common sense." If this happen in most sports, no one would have thought twice about penalizing someone associated with the team. I really wish this attitude would go away. Not saying we have to be flag happy, but there is too much concerned with who we piss off.

Peace

Alright, we know he is the visiting team's AD, but would the officials?

Admittedly I didn't see the game, just the ESPN highlights and discussion, where I didn't see any difference between any other team assistant getting into a conversation between the official and the HC. I have to say I probably wouldn't know the difference between another one of the visiting team's assistants and the AD. Then again I work with more than just a 12 school conference, so they may have known.

That being said, If he pulled anything like a "I'm the AD" into the conversation, that is getting a detailed entry into the post-game report.

[APG]

Don't worry guys. Steve Sarkisian regrets asking for Haden to come down to the sideline. Haden has also apologized and has promised to stay off the sideline for the next two games.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by APG

Haden has also apologized and has promised to stay off the sideline for the next two games.

Yeah - that's the worst part!

He's not supposed to come down. At all. So his self imposed penalty is to not come down for 2 games?

Stay the heck in the pressbox, idiot!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Alright, we know he is the visiting team's AD, but would the officials?

Admittedly I didn't see the game, just the ESPN highlights and discussion, where I didn't see any difference between any other team assistant getting into a conversation between the official and the HC. I have to say I probably wouldn't know the difference between another one of the visiting team's assistants and the AD. Then again I work with more than just a 12 school conference, so they may have known.

That being said, If he pulled anything like a "I'm the AD" into the conversation, that is getting a detailed entry into the post-game report.

I would be shocked if the officials did not know who the ADs are at a particular university in a conference game setting. And Pat Haden is one of the most high profile guys in that conference. He is on the Playoff Committee as well. I am sure not only do they know who the ADs are at those schools, they have probably had some interaction with each of them at some point. And it did not look like Haden was even in coach gear so him talking to them should have been known. Either way, I am just tired of how we pass on the actions of sidelines. It really does not matter to me one way or the other if they know who Haden was or not, but why do we insist on taking their crap. I have always heard we advocate what we promote essentially and to me (and I am included in this) need to stop taking their crap all the time.

Peace

[Sturno]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would be shocked if the officials did not know who the ADs are at a particular university in a conference game setting. And Pat Haden is one of the most high profile guys in that conference. He is on the Playoff Committee as well. I am sure not only do they know who the ADs are at those schools, they have probably had some interaction with each of them at some point. And it did not look like Haden was even in coach gear so him talking to them should have been known. Either way, I am just tired of how we pass on the actions of sidelines. It really does not matter to me one way or the other if they know who Haden was or not, but why do we insist on taking their crap. I have always heard we advocate what we promote essentially and to me (and I am included in this) need to stop taking their crap all the time.

Peace

Thumbs up/like button?

[parepat]

What was the USC for? Had he had a warning and two 5 yarders already; was there contact with an official; did he get the USC for arguing the warning?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by parepat

What was the USC for? Had he had a warning and two 5 yarders already; was there contact with an official; did he get the USC for arguing the warning?

It appears it was simply for unsporting conduct when trying to argue the targeting call, which the HC later said he was wrong about arguing. You do not have to get a warning when you cross the line.

Peace

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am just tired of how we pass on the actions of sidelines. It really does not matter to me one way or the other if they know who Haden was or not, but why do we insist on taking their crap. I have always heard we advocate what we promote essentially and to me (and I am included in this) need to stop taking their crap all the time. Peace

It's not about proving who has the biggest...ego, it's about managing a particuler sideline, in a particular game and the one person with that responsibility made a judgment (regardless of what a sportswriter felt would make a great opportunity to blow air up under some skirts).

There should be absolutely no doubt exactly how big the stick we all carry actually is, the only question is under what circumstances WE CHOOSE to smack someone with it.

Flagging, disqualifying or otherwise embarrassing Hayden, aside from creating a couple of weeks of follow-up articles and punishing a team for an emotional outburst of a non-player, seems to accomplish little, if anything.

As for what influence this situation may, or may not have on any Administrative, or other non-player, personnel at other games at different levels, the FACT remains, we each carry the same BIG STICK and maintain the sole authority, as well as responsibility, to decide WHEN and WHERE, and perhaps most importantly WHETHER the unique situation we're dealing with requires USING IT

[HLin NC]

He got a reprimand and $25K fine, announced this afternoon.

I dare say he'll pull that trick again. Sarkesian was on The Herd and admitted he screwed up but gave the same ole "fightin' fur muh kids" BS we hear out of most coaches when they try to explain 4 year old behavior.