Scrimmage kick play

[bmmr52]

the whole thing is based on the touching by r beyound the nz.. doesn't matter where the ball ends up the touching by r makes this a psk..

[HawkeyeCubP]

2-16-g-2 reads, exactly: "During a scrimmage kick play in which the ball crosses the expanded neutral zone." It doesn't say it ends beyone the expanded neutral zone.

The ball crossed the ENZ in the OP play.

[golfdesigner]

PSK by 2-16-2g
Post-scrimmage kick — a foul by R when the foul occurs:
1. During scrimmage kick plays, other than a try or successful field goal.
2. During a scrimmage kick play in which the ball crosses the expanded neutral zone.
3. Beyond the expanded neutral zone.
4. Before the end of a kick.
5. And K does not have possession of the ball when the down ends and will not be next to put the ball in play.

I have added the emphasis to make a point.

I appears to me we have PSK under the condition that the foul occurred beyond the ENZ because:
1 is True
2 is True, the ball crossed the ENZ [rule does not say anything about ending up beyond the ENZ]
3 is True, only if foul occurred beyond the ENZ
4 is True because kick does not end until: Art. 2 . . . A kick ends when a player gains possession or when the ball becomes dead while not in player possession. So kick doesn't end until R recovers at K23.
5 is True R recovered at K23

All five conditions must be met for a PSK enforcement.

If foul did not occur beyond ENZ then not all five are true and I would go with loose ball play, previous spot, 15-yards and replay down. If 15-yds puts K beyond Line to Gain 1st/10, if not 4th and ????

So not enough info in original post for correct penalty enforcement.

That's my take on it.

[Bob M.]

REPLY: Assuming that the foul ocurred beyond the ENZ, this foul would be penalized using PSK enforcement. The fact that the kick ended behind the NZ is immaterial. All that matters is that it (the kick) crossed the ENZ. Where it ends is of no consequence.

[JGF6]

2-16g: Post-scrimmage kick - a foul by R when the foul occurs:
1. During scrimmage kick plays, other than a try or successful field goal.
2. During a scrimmage kick play in which the ball crosses the expanded neutral zone.
3. (A foul by R) Beyond the expanded neutral zone.
4. (A foul by R) Before the kick ends.
5. And K does not have possession of the ball when the down ends and will not be next to put the ball in play.

Where in this rule does it say the kick has to end beyond the NZ? It has to go beyond but does it have to end beyond to be PSK?

The foul in this play, PSK, is enforced from the spot of the foul, A's ball first and 10.

[wisref2]

It doesn't matter where the kick ends - during a scrimmage kick, other than a try or successfull field goal, PSK applies when:

The ball crosses the expanded neutral zone.
The foul occurs beyond the expanded neutral zone AND before the end of the kick.
R has the ball at the end of the play.

2-16-2g3 refers to the foul, not the end of the kick.