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oakpatch1997 Tue Dec 17, 2013 07:39am

Wouldn't this be considered hurdling? and be a flag!!
 
Louisiana High School Running Back Stacy McCray Hurdles Defender, Jukes Another | Bleacher Report



This was in a state championship game!

HLin NC Tue Dec 17, 2013 08:00am

Appears to be. While one can not 100% state that one or both feet of the opponent's are in contact with the ground, it appears that they are and the runners right foot is foremost so it would meet the parameters of the rule.

Considering the officials allowed an illegal hideout play in a Michigan game, this doesn't surprise me. Sadly, it happens.

bigjohn Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:23am

5 trained officials at the game did not call it hurdling, they are doing the state finals so they must be the BEST!! Must not have been hurdling! LOL!!!

Rich Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:19am

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 914705)
5 trained officials at the game did not call it hurdling, they are doing the state finals so they must be the BEST!! Must not have been hurdling! LOL!!!

It must be hard on you being so perfect - surrounded with imperfect people.

bisonlj Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:43am

I have hurdling on this play. If Louisiana is like other states, the best officials are not working in the state finals.

asdf Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 914705)
5 trained officials at the game did not call it hurdling, they are doing the state finals so they must be the BEST!! Must not have been hurdling! LOL!!!

I'm certainly glad 5 trained officials did not call this hurdling, especially the opposite wing who was some 50 yards away from the play.

bigjohn Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:56pm

Knew that would draw fire! I mean really guys, how do they miss no brainer calls like this in the State Finals??
:mad:

MD Longhorn Tue Dec 17, 2013 01:10pm

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 914705)
5 trained officials at the game did not call it hurdling, they are doing the state finals so they must be the BEST!! Must not have been hurdling! LOL!!!

Did anyone on this site tell you that those officials working state finals around the nation are automatically the best? I don't think anyone with more than 2 years in the profession would believe that.

Rich Tue Dec 17, 2013 01:21pm

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 914719)
Knew that would draw fire! I mean really guys, how do they miss no brainer calls like this in the State Finals??
:mad:

The same reason coaches make boneheaded decisions at every possible level. Because they're human.

And, BTW, you're a troll on this board. Are you really happy being seen that way?

bigjohn Tue Dec 17, 2013 01:24pm

Coach, troll, what is the difference? Clearly you guys are going defend other officials that make terrible game changing calls.

MD Longhorn Tue Dec 17, 2013 01:42pm

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 914731)
Coach, troll, what is the difference? Clearly you guys are going defend other officials that make terrible game changing calls.

And I'm sure you would defend your coaches if they made terrible game changing decisions. What's your point. This is a site whose purpose is to allow us to discuss situations and all try to improve. Your posts do nothing to further that purpose.

bigjohn Tue Dec 17, 2013 01:45pm

I would not defend a coach who did something wrong. I have called out many coaches for being unsportsmanlike, unethical and not protecting player.

APG Tue Dec 17, 2013 01:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 914731)
Coach, troll, what is the difference? Clearly you guys are going defend other officials that make terrible game changing calls.

The difference is one will allow you to keep posting without issue...the other will mandate a temporary vacation from posting.

And there hasn't been a single person in this thread that has defended the call.

MD Longhorn Tue Dec 17, 2013 02:03pm

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 914734)
I would not defend a coach who did something wrong. I have called out many coaches for being unsportsmanlike, unethical and not protecting player.

Apples vs Eskimos.

Robert Goodman Tue Dec 17, 2013 02:48pm

I'm not sure it met the technical requirement of hurdling, and if it did I'm not convinced penalizing it would be in the spirit of the rule. It looked like the ballcarrier more or less jumped in place (although I couldn't see his feet when he started to leave the ground), although he did extend his right foot forward while in the air. The attempted tackler may have had his feet on the ground, but was bent very low at the waist, and more went under the ballcarrier than the ballcarrier went over him. This is not the classic case of someone leaping forward crotchwise over the head of an opponent, and if there was a chance of contact with that opponent's head, it was caused more by the tackler than by the putative hurdler. The ballcarrier went mostly over the attempted tackler's back.

I'm not sure whether the rules definition of "hurdle" should be eliminated (and thus have people fall back on their general understanding of what it means) or made more detailed. The current definition captures some cases in line with most people's intuition, but not others, and I'm not sure whether the distinction could be easily set out in words. In the present case, although a different viewing angle might change my mind, I don't think the officials erred in not flagging this.

I'd also consider broadening the rule to encompass other efforts to go over erect opponents, including diving head first, inasmuch as there may be dangers there that are unjustified leaving in the game as distinct from those of hurdling per se.


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