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AremRed Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:00am

Tramon Williams shoves back judge
 
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BktBallRef Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:55am

Idiot.

Ejected?

AremRed Fri Nov 29, 2013 02:28pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 912247)
Idiot.

Ejected?

No.

HLin NC Fri Nov 29, 2013 02:28pm

No, and I was surprised he wasn't. Paganelli just flagged him for USC.
Merciful, I guess.

bisonlj Fri Nov 29, 2013 04:18pm

It may cost him a dollar or two as well. Suspension after the fact also wouldn't be unusual.

Matt Fri Nov 29, 2013 04:30pm

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Originally Posted by bisonlj (Post 912271)
It may cost him a dollar or two as well. Suspension after the fact also wouldn't be unusual.

Fine, probably. I don't see a suspension coming for the same reason, I have a hunch, why he wasn't ejected, and that was because he didn't initiate contact.

Adam Fri Nov 29, 2013 05:11pm

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 912273)
Fine, probably. I don't see a suspension coming for the same reason, I have a hunch, why he wasn't ejected, and that was because he didn't initiate contact.

How do you say he doesn't initiate contact? He pushed the BJ out of his way.

Matt Fri Nov 29, 2013 06:35pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 912279)
How do you say he doesn't initiate contact? He pushed the BJ out of his way.

Simple. The BJ contacted him before the shove.

AremRed Fri Nov 29, 2013 06:45pm

That shove was not a "f-you, ref", it was a "get off me, ref".

ajmc Fri Nov 29, 2013 07:03pm

The "look" the BJ gave Williams was effective in persuading Williams his foot was hovering over a land mine, and Williams correctly understood it to suggest an instant change of direction was advised.

Developing a "look" that speaks absolute certainty any additional comment or gesture will only cause serious pain is perhaps an officials most useful tool.

Texas Aggie Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:17pm

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That shove was not a "f-you, ref", it was a "get off me, ref".
And how do you know that?

My GUESS on the non-ejction is it was one of two things afterward:

1. He didn't feel right in ejecting what he didn't actually SEE. We all know flagging and ejecting are 2 different things. He knew what happened and can write it up. But just in case, he may not have felt the extra scrutiny could be fully justified.

2. The Packer said something to him after the contact that mitigated things.

Of course, it could have been as simple as the BJ thinking, "that's 15 but nothing more."

I saw it live and saw the Packers coach chew him out.

AremRed Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:43am

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 912301)
And how do you know that?

I don't, that's my personal opinion.


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