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APG Sun Dec 01, 2013 02:46pm

Interception just occurred in the Panthers game...DPI initially flagged...ball was intercepted in front of the contact. Officials picked up the flagged and explained that the interception occurred well in front of the area of where the contact occurred.

hbk314 Sun Dec 01, 2013 05:25pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 912411)
Interception just occurred in the Panthers game...DPI initially flagged...ball was intercepted in front of the contact. Officials picked up the flagged and explained that the interception occurred well in front of the area of where the contact occurred.

I don't think anyone's disputing that. That wasn't the case on the Gronkowski play.

Raymond Sun Dec 01, 2013 05:34pm

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Originally Posted by hbk314 (Post 912432)
I don't think anyone's disputing that. That wasn't the case on the Gronkowski play.

In your opinion.

hbk314 Sun Dec 01, 2013 06:26pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 912435)
In your opinion.

I wouldn't think that a couple yards meets many people's definition of "well in front of."

MD Longhorn Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:21am

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Originally Posted by hbk314 (Post 912443)
I wouldn't think that a couple yards meets many people's definition of "well in front of."

Just "in front of" can be enough.

Robert Goodman Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:19am

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 912512)
Just "in front of" can be enough.

Ask them whether a player can push an opponent off the ball's path, then turn around & catch the ball in front of where they made player-player contact, and vitiate the interference thereby.

bisonlj Mon Dec 02, 2013 02:54pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 912519)
Ask them whether a player can push an opponent off the ball's path, then turn around & catch the ball in front of where they made player-player contact, and vitiate the interference thereby.

You are describing a completely different play. In your scenario the player making contact is the same player who intercepted the pass. In the two examples mentioned here (both involving Carolina) the defender on the receiver and the intercepter are two different people.

hbk314 Mon Dec 02, 2013 02:56pm

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Originally Posted by bisonlj (Post 912549)
You are describing a completely different play. In your scenario the player making contact is the same player who intercepted the pass. In the two examples mentioned here (both involving Carolina) the defender on the receiver and the intercepter are two different people.

That really shouldn't matter. One player clearing out a receiver while another player picks the ball off in a space the receiver could have gotten to is still pass interference.

SamG Tue Dec 03, 2013 07:00am

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Originally Posted by hbk314 (Post 912550)
That really shouldn't matter. One player clearing out a receiver while another player picks the ball off in a space the receiver could have gotten to is still pass interference.

Isn't the bolded a judgement call?

bisonlj Tue Dec 03, 2013 08:19am

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Originally Posted by hbk314 (Post 912550)
That really shouldn't matter. One player clearing out a receiver while another player picks the ball off in a space the receiver could have gotten to is still pass interference.

The key is an underthrown pass. I'm sorry you are failing to accept the stated philosophies used by most NCAA conferences and apparently the NFL. These are not personal philosophies of the people on this board. You can disagree with the philosophy all day but if you work at those levels and don't follow those philosophies you will not be working long.

This is similar to the common philosophy of not calling a hold on the backside tackle when the sweep goes the other way. You may be technically right using the letter of the rule, but if you called that every time you saw it, you wouldn't be working long.

hbk314 Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:09am

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Originally Posted by bisonlj (Post 912615)
The key is an underthrown pass. I'm sorry you are failing to accept the stated philosophies used by most NCAA conferences and apparently the NFL. These are not personal philosophies of the people on this board. You can disagree with the philosophy all day but if you work at those levels and don't follow those philosophies you will not be working long.

This is similar to the common philosophy of not calling a hold on the backside tackle when the sweep goes the other way. You may be technically right using the letter of the rule, but if you called that every time you saw it, you wouldn't be working long.

The difference is that a hold on the other side of the field isn't likely to impact the play, but the scenario I cited completely determines the outcome of a play.

If the philosophy calls for a no-call of pass interference on a play where a receiver is physically prevented from reaching a pass he could have gotten to, merely because the ball is picked off before it gets to the position he was forced to, then the philosophy makes zero sense.

Unless we're imagining a different play.

MD Longhorn Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:22am

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Originally Posted by hbk314 (Post 912625)
The difference is that a hold on the other side of the field isn't likely to impact the play, but the scenario I cited completely determines the outcome of a play.

If the philosophy calls for a no-call of pass interference on a play where a receiver is physically prevented from reaching a pass he could have gotten to, merely because the ball is picked off before it gets to the position he was forced to, then the philosophy makes zero sense.

Unless we're imagining a different play.

My last word on this dead horse... you seem obsessed with the thought that Gronk could have gotten to the pass... Only you, Jeff, and maybe 2 other posters think that. The Science thing, at best, demonstrates that it's conceivable that he could have gotten to the BACK of the player who made the interception. While I dispute even that - the fact is, the interceptor (who was not the interferor) was between Gronk and the ball. Gronk COULD NOT have "gotten to the ball" as you say.

The philosophy of the no-call is not as you state above. Simply because in no one's opinion could the receiver have gotten to the ball - because (at the very least) there's a body in the way.

Adam Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:26am

Time to bury the horse.


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