Anyone got a foul?

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

I see this as a requirement (inside the 9 yard mark), no different than everyone must be set for 1 full second before someone goes into motion or the ball is snapped. I notice that one is let go a good bit as well!

REPLY: The key word in your reply is "I." The fact that you see it as a requirement is whole lot less weighty than the fact that probably 90-95% of officials have either figured it out on their own or have been told in no uncertain terms to ignore this if the defense matches up and there's no confusion or disadvantage to the defense. If my supervisor has told me that, and I see it happen, what do you think I'm going to do? Can you see me explaining to him that I had a flag because Bigjohn sees this as a requirement? Just like 'overlooking' a hold by the WR on the left side of the formation when the play is a sweep to the right, we officiate to advantage-disadvantage. Technically, the offense in the play fouled--no question. But 'technically' isn't the only way we're taught to officiate.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: The key word in your reply is "I." The fact that you see it as a requirement is whole lot less weighty than the fact that probably 90-95% of officials have either figured it out on their own or have been told in no uncertain terms to ignore this if the defense matches up and there's no confusion or disadvantage to the defense. If my supervisor has told me that, and I see it happen, what do you think I'm going to do? Can you see me explaining to him that I had a flag because Bigjohn sees this as a requirement? Just like 'overlooking' a hold by the WR on the left side of the formation when the play is a sweep to the right, we officiate to advantage-disadvantage. Technically, the offense in the play fouled--no question. But 'technically' isn't the only way we're taught to officiate.

Well said.

Peace

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by jrutledge

well said.

Peace

+1

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

Technically, the offense in the play fouled--no question. But 'technically' isn't the only way we're taught to officiate.

Bob, I'm not convinced they fouled, technically speaking. Are you saying the sub didn't make it to the 9 yard mark?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Adam

Bob, I'm not convinced they fouled, technically speaking. Are you saying the sub didn't make it to the 9 yard mark?

This is the essence of the original post. Big John is saying he didn't make it to the 9 yd mark, making it an illegal formation, or he is saying it is an attempt to deceive, because he came in late.

[jfurdell]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: The key word in your reply is "I." The fact that you see it as a requirement is whole lot less weighty than the fact that probably 90-95% of officials have either figured it out on their own or have been told in no uncertain terms to ignore this if the defense matches up and there's no confusion or disadvantage to the defense. If my supervisor has told me that, and I see it happen, what do you think I'm going to do? Can you see me explaining to him that I had a flag because Bigjohn sees this as a requirement? Just like 'overlooking' a hold by the WR on the left side of the formation when the play is a sweep to the right, we officiate to advantage-disadvantage. Technically, the offense in the play fouled--no question. But 'technically' isn't the only way we're taught to officiate.

THIS. Times one thousand million.

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[STEVED21]

After watching the play a few times, I noticed the late sub isn't even involved in the play. He runs straight down the field and never touches the ball. Even took a defender with him. Obviously no deception.