Proper Enforcement

[Scooby]

Last Friday:
3rd and 8 from B's 35. A1 drops back to pass and is scrambling A77 blocks B65 in the back and is flagged, A1 passes the ball and is intercepted by B8 at the 10 yard line A88 is flagged for Unnecessary Roughness during the return at the 18 yard line, then B's assistant couch yells at A88 in an unsportsman like manner and is flagged. B8 is tackled at the 28.

What is the enforcement and options?

[JRutledge]

I am assuming this is still on B's side of the field.

If that is the case, you have two penalties against A. One before change of possession and one after. Team B will have to decline the BIB to keep the ball. Then you tack on the 15 yards for the UNR from the 28 to the 43. Then you administer the Team A USC foul and bring it back to the 28. These do not offset as in HS these are administered in the order they occur.

After all of that 1st and 10 Team B's ball from the B28.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Or, since you asked for options ... B does not decline, and you have 3rd and 23 from the 50. Not that any sane B would choose this or any sane ref would even mention that option.

[Scooby]

Thank you!

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Or, since you asked for options ... B does not decline, and you have 3rd and 23 from the 50. Not that any sane B would choose this or any sane ref would even mention that option.

You should. You should not presume how much a team values possession vis-a-vis position.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

You should. You should not presume how much a team values possession vis-a-vis position.

When a team does not want the ball in this case, it will be a first that I have ever seen. Teams do not turn down turnovers.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

You should. You should not presume how much a team values possession vis-a-vis position.

When it's obvious, we do not ask. It's obvious in this case. (When it's borderline, I err on the side of asking and have literally been told by coaches ... "why are you asking me?" THIS one is not borderline.) Like Jeff said - coaches don't refuse turnovers.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

When it's obvious, we do not ask. It's obvious in this case.

This is largely a personal choice, and whatever works, works. However, it's not unusual that "obvious" can mean different things to different people. Options can be given, briefly, that explain "obvious" choices so that there is no doubt which is considered the appropriate choice, ay least by the Referee.

Any coach who asks, "why are you asking me" doesn't deserve an answer to that question, and perhaps underscores why NF: 2-32-5-b specifically designates "A captain of a team is a player designated to represent his team during; (b) Penalty decisions following a foul."

Sharing explanations, especially those that may be unusually complicated, with a Coach can often be helpful, but is a, usually worthwhile, professional curtesy.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am assuming this is still on B's side of the field.

If that is the case, you have two penalties against A. One before change of possession and one after. Team B will have to decline the BIB to keep the ball. Then you tack on the 15 yards for the UNR from the 28 to the 43. Then you administer the Team A USC foul and bring it back to the 28. These do not offset as in HS these are administered in the order they occur.

After all of that 1st and 10 Team B's ball from the B28.

Peace

I think you meant Team B here. ;-P