Washington team returns blocked field-goal
 

Ouch.

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I can not believe there was no IW on that play! Great job, Officials!!! :)

I'm surprised, since the R had his whistle in his mouth when the play started.

Fun play. Not sure anyone I know would have blown his whistle on that play, and R usually spits it out immediately upon a snap. R very very rarely has the play-killing whistle on a kick play, and would not be in the habit of needing to blow one, so not likely an IW here.

I have seen them forget it was a try and blow id dead as soon as blocked.

ART. 7 . . . When any scrimmage kick is out of bounds between the goal lines
or becomes dead inbounds between the goal lines while no player is in possession, or inbounds anywhere while opponents are in joint possession, the ball is
awarded to R. Following an out-of-bounds kick, the ball is put in play at the
inbounds spot unless R chooses a spot of first touching.

I think we had a dead ball here!

There was more delay than the video shows, the ball laid there a bit longer.

Fair enough...

Although how can you say the ball laid there longer than it appears. It's video.

Ah - that explains that.

Even a better play - I hope this one gets used for training.

Nice try.

The crew knew it was still a live ball.

Dead ball:mad:

Based on what interpretation?

This isn't a ball coming to rest beyond the NZ with nobody from the receiving team anywhere near the ball. (they are the only one who can advance the ball)

This is a ball behind the NZ that can be advanced by either team, or legally passed / kicked by the kicking team. There were plenty of K players within 3 yards of the ball, all eligible to pick it up and advance it.

Great job by the crew..... especially the guys who covered the goal line.

Help out a broadcaster here. How long does a live ball have to be untouched before it becomes dead?

Until the covering official deems it dead.

The fact that it could have been recovered and advanced by either team (a receiving team player initially tried to recover it, but made a bad decision and didn't secure it) means you give it more time than when a kick beyond the NZ comes to rest.

It's not a matter of time. It's when it becomes obvious no one will.

Example - punted ball rolling to a rest, no receiving team players anywhere near the play, several kicking team players around the ball. When the ball stops and no one reaches over to touch it, kill the play. They can't just sit there looking at the ball to let time roll off the clock.

On THIS play - where either team can pick it up, you've got to wait until it's completely obvious that no one is going to pick it up. Like - the kicking team leaves the field like the receiving team did.

That's only a dead ball to the team on the losing end of this play.

e. When any loose ball:
1. Is simultaneously caught or recovered by opposing players.
2. Is on the ground motionless and no player attempts to secure possession.
3. Touches, or is touched by, anything inbounds other than a player, substitute, replaced player, a game official, the ground or authorized equipment. In this case the ball will be put in play in accordance with the procedure for an inadvertent whistle as in 4-2-3b.

Yes, and you're being told by actual officials how to interpret that 2nd part. How long we wait to decide that "no player attempts" varies by situation. In THIS situation, we wait...

Wait until a coach comes on the field and tells them to pick it up and run?? Baloney!

You can cut and paste till the cows come home, but you are wrong (again).


Even the AD from the team that lost admitted that the ball was still live.

5 seconds?

I have no problem with the play. Recover the ball and none of this is an issue. There is a problem with players celebrating too soon and not finishing the play. Seems like a theme lately across football.

Peace

If that 5 seconds takes the other players to make a play on the ball.

Peace

Where does it say 4 is too many?

the way I read it is says ball is motionless and no player is making an attempt to recover it. That happened, blow it dead!

I have a question - a real, honest question.

Is your intent in posting here to actually learn?

If not ... is your intent simply to show everyone by example how bad an official would be if he only read the rulebook and never went to any classes or clinics.

If not that... what is the intent of your continuing misinterpretation of rules and failure to listen when it's explained to you?

I am just saying that according to the rules as written, it should have been blown dead!
That is my intent. I think it is a bs way for those kids to lose a game. Now had a smart kid from K immediately picked up the ball and ran to the EZ with it! Good play, for the ball to lay there 5 seconds and no official to blow it dead is BS. Just my opinion.

Reading the rule book doesn't make you an expert on rules application.

You've been given the interpretation three times, yet you act like my 11 year old nephew that refuses to admit he's wrong.

I'd be willing to bet that you would not take kindly to one of your players telling you that his blocking technique is the correct way over the way you and your peers teach it.

And you've been repeatedly told by folks with many, many, many more years of experience officiating that you are wrong.

You just get a kick out of this......

So ... the 2nd one.

No offense, but it is not as easy as reading the book and stepping on the field. It takes practice, study, discussion to understand the little things - like "how long must the ball be at rest to blow it dead" in situations like this one. And THIS play is not at all what was meant by the rule you keep quoting. This rule is so that in those odd cases (picture a punt return) that the ball comes to rest without anyone around who might touch it and kill the play - we can kill the play. It is not meant to cover loose balls where players who might potentially advance that ball are standing near it.

If your intent is to actually understand the rules, please listen to those who spend time, effort, and money to learn how to interpret them.

If your intent is to simply stir things up, it grows very tiresome.

ART. 3 . . . No replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other attendant shall hinder an opponent, touch the ball, influence the play or otherwise participate.

ART. 2 . . . The basic spot is the previous spot:
a. For a foul which occurs simultaneously with the snap or free kick.
b. For a foul which occurs during a loose ball play, as defined in 10-3-1

Pretty sure the coach influenced the play!!!!!!!

AHA!!

I hope that this doesn't get to 10 pages like the thread on how the officials screwed Wisconsin

pretty sure I just jumped the Shark, Bear!
:)

Keep on throwing it against the wall.

Someday, you'll get one to stick.

Next time a coach calls a play, or asks for a time out, I'll invoke this rule for you. And with that, I'm done trying to help.

Skyview coach Steve Kizer said, "We should have finished the play. That's the moral of the story."

You're so right, Coach.

ART. 1 . . . No coach, substitute, athletic trainer or other team attendant shall act in an unsportsmanlike manner once the game officials assume authority for the contest. Examples are, but not limited to:

b. Attempting to influence a decision by a game official.

And this one has never happened during a game without the coach being penalized. :D

And I love the fact coaches will be so strict about rules they say we are ignoring, but if we were to penalize them for rules you listed above, they would insist we should "warn them" for their behavior. So coaches are often hypocritical about how rules they want us to enforce when it serves their sensiblities.

Peace

I'm not even a ref and I can poke holes in that one...

So according to your interpretation, no coach can EVER yell instructions to a player? Not "block 43" or even "RUN" as a player is streaking down the sideline?

Keep trying. It's entertaining. :D

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