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w_sohl Tue Aug 05, 2003 04:04pm

Is it legal to throw a backward pass out of bounds for the purpose of stoppng the clock? A rules reference would be greatly appreciated.

Theisey Tue Aug 05, 2003 04:46pm

NF: yes this is legal. The clock would start on the snap.
check rules 7-4-? and 3-4-? (sorry no books).

I know you don't really need this info, but under NCAA this would be a spot foul and we would start the clock on the ready.

PSU213 Tue Aug 05, 2003 07:31pm

There is nothing in the rules that forbids intentionally throwing a backwards pass OOB to conserve time. The only passes which can be illegal are foward passes, as outlined in 7-5-2. Also I think the definition of a rule (2-35) is important here, specifically this part: "A rule sometimes states what a player may do, but if there is no such statement for a given act (such as faking a kick), it is assumed that he may do what is not prohibited."

As for some of the rules that Theisey was looking for: 3-4-3a (the clock starts on the snap if the clock was stopped because the ball went OOB) and 3-4-4e (the clock shall be stopped when the ball goes OOB). 7-4 discusses fumbles and backwards passes and does not mention or prohibit intentionally throwing a backward pass OOB.

sm_bbcoach Mon Aug 11, 2003 08:43am

a tiwst
 
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Originally posted by w_sohl
Is it legal to throw a backward pass out of bounds for the purpose of stoppng the clock? A rules reference would be greatly appreciated.
Is it legal to throw a backwards pass OB (mostly to his side but slightly backwards) to aviod a sack?

Smiley Mon Aug 11, 2003 09:19am

Re: a tiwst
 
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Originally posted by sm_bbcoach
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Originally posted by w_sohl
Is it legal to throw a backward pass out of bounds for the purpose of stoppng the clock? A rules reference would be greatly appreciated.
Is it legal to throw a backwards pass OB (mostly to his side but slightly backwards) to aviod a sack?

Yes

Schultj Mon Aug 11, 2003 09:28am

If you throw a backwards pass out of bounds, the ball would be spotted at where the ball went out because it is considered a fumble, correct? This would explain why there is no penalty on the play; they have already lost the yardage.

Smiley Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:38am

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Originally posted by Schultj
If you throw a backwards pass out of bounds, the ball would be spotted at where the ball went out because it is considered a fumble, correct? This would explain why there is no penalty on the play; they have already lost the yardage.
It is considered a backwards pass out of bounds and is spotted at the inbounds spot at the yard line where it went out of bounds. There is no penalty for a backwards pass out of bounds.

BktBallRef Mon Aug 11, 2003 04:00pm

Re: a tiwst
 
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Originally posted by sm_bbcoach
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Originally posted by w_sohl
Is it legal to throw a backward pass out of bounds for the purpose of stoppng the clock? A rules reference would be greatly appreciated.
Is it legal to throw a backwards pass OB (mostly to his side but slightly backwards) to aviod a sack?

Why would you do that since the ball would end up behind the spot where the QB would have been sacked? :p

SWFLguy Fri Aug 15, 2003 08:24pm

Possible situation where the QB might do that.
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3rd and goal to go from the 5 for A who is down by 2 points
and 10 seconds left on the clock. Team QB takes the snap and drops back to pass--- his #1 receiver is double teamed, he looks for his
secondary and sees he is being rushed by the defense. Rather
than risk being hit and fumbling the ball- he throws is backwards
out of bounds to stop the clock AND retain possession.
Team A now brings in ACE kicker to kick a 25 yard FG and
win the game !!!
Legal-- you bet-- and also smart play !!
Anyone have a rule that say no ??

BktBallRef Fri Aug 15, 2003 11:29pm

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Originally posted by SWFLguy
Legal-- you bet-- and also smart play !!
Anyone have a rule that say no ??

I bet there isn't a HS player in the country who's that smart. :)

Ed Hickland Sun Aug 17, 2003 02:22pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by SWFLguy
Legal-- you bet-- and also smart play !!
Anyone have a rule that say no ??

I bet there isn't a HS player in the country who's that smart. :)

That's why I love this board. You guys think of everything!!

SWFLguy Sun Aug 17, 2003 04:36pm

but--- no matter how long you've been at
the "officiating game"-- and you think
you've seen EVERYTHING-------
then something happens and you
think--
"what the hell was that !!"
keeps it interesting doesn't it ??

JRutledge Sun Aug 17, 2003 04:38pm

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Originally posted by SWFLguy
but--- no matter how long you've been at
the "officiating game"-- and you think
you've seen EVERYTHING-------
then something happens and you
think--
"what the hell was that !!"
keeps it interesting doesn't it ??

And on your toes.

Peace

cowbyfan1 Tue Aug 19, 2003 04:42am

Thanks all.. Now that this has been discussed it will happen in one of my games and the defensive team will be screaming for intentional grounding and won't get it..


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