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Adam Wed Sep 11, 2013 08:04am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 904620)
Again, that is great. But if you want me or others to assume as such, then use the terminology that puts it in no doubt. It is just like when someone in basketball says it is a "block" because a he/she was not set. You would get a similar reaction from basketball officials stating that is not correct either.

So it must be noted IMO that the terminology he stated is not a good description of an actual foul. And on a pass, players could be diving for the ball and hit helmets. I have seen it happen and not been a foul.

Peace
For crying out loud, Jeff. The OP clearly states there was a flag thrown, so let's go ahead and assume the contact was illegal. If he would have questioned the refs throwing the flag, you'd have deferred to the guys on the field. The question was obviously about rule enforcement, not judgment.

MD Longhorn Wed Sep 11, 2013 08:16am
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 904743)
For crying out loud, Jeff. The OP clearly states there was a flag thrown, so let's go ahead and assume the contact was illegal. If he would have questioned the refs throwing the flag, you'd have deferred to the guys on the field. The question was obviously about rule enforcement, not judgment.
Adam ... both Jeff and I read the same thing. I see there's no "edited by" stamp, but I'm relatively certain that when originally posted, the comment about there being a flag was NOT there. Of course, I can't prove it. :)

tjones1 Wed Sep 11, 2013 08:23am
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 904744)
Adam ... both Jeff and I read the same thing. I see there's no "edited by" stamp, but I'm relatively certain that when originally posted, the comment about there being a flag was NOT there. Of course, I can't prove it. :)
I'm sure you all know but if you don't know, it's true that if you're quick enough editing your initial post then it won't be stamped with an edit marquee.

Ask me how I know. ;)

(I've had many mistakes I caught after posting.)

JRutledge Wed Sep 11, 2013 08:29am
Absolutley TJ, I have done it myself a few times.

Peace

Robert Goodman Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 904747)
I'm sure you all know but if you don't know, it's true that if you're quick enough editing your initial post then it won't be stamped with an edit marquee.

Ask me how I know. ;)

(I've had many mistakes I caught after posting.)
Actually I didn't know that, thanks, but since the original post was listed as having been at 9:45AM and the 1st response to it at 9:58, I don't think that applies! I got the "edit marquee" in a lot less time than that.

Here I go 2 min. later.

(And here someone else goes ... hack edit - proving mbc's point)

Robert Goodman Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:29pm
It'd help if Robert E. Harrison would come back and write whether he remembers having edited that part of that post.

JRutledge Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 904769)
Actually I didn't know that, thanks, but since the original post was listed as having been at 9:45AM and the 1st response to it at 9:58, I don't think that applies! I got the "edit marquee" in a lot less time than that.

Here I go 2 min. later.

(And here someone else goes ... hack edit - proving mbc's point)
Actually it can be done in a matter of seconds. If a few minutes go by then it will show you edited your points. I have many times hit "Submit" too quick only to realize that I forgot a word in a sentence or forgot a specific point. So if 4 minutes go by, changes are it is too late. But MD and I read the same thing.

And the fact still remains, helmet to helmet contact is not illegal by rule. Illegal Helmet contact is a foul, which may involve contact with any part of the body.

Peace

Robert Goodman Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 904769)
(And here someone else goes ... hack edit - proving mbc's point)
Neat!

Who's mbc?

Robert Goodman Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 904776)
Actually it can be done in a matter of seconds. If a few minutes go by then it will show you edited your points. I have many times hit "Submit" too quick only to realize that I forgot a word in a sentence or forgot a specific point. So if 4 minutes go by, changes are it is too late. But MD and I read the same thing.
And your response was posted almost 2 hrs. after the original post's time stamp.

JRutledge Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 904778)
And your response was posted almost 2 hrs. after the original post's time stamp.
So?

Helmet to helmet contact is not in itself illegal. And that using of that is perpetuating a myth of the rules and always needs to be corrected.

Peace

bigjohn Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:51pm
maybe it should be illegal to edit a post!

Adam Wed Sep 11, 2013 01:47pm
Before I was a moderator, the only time I ever was able to edit a post without it leaving a stamp was when I edited so fast no one could have read it.

Besides, even without that, the question was clearly about rule enforcement rather than judgment.

MD Longhorn Wed Sep 11, 2013 01:47pm
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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 904777)
Neat!

Who's mbc?
I believe that would be me... someone remembers my old handle. And yes, any of the mods can do that trick. Not that we would...

Adam Wed Sep 11, 2013 01:50pm
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 904789)
I believe that would be me... someone remembers my old handle. And yes, any of the mods can do that trick. Not that we would...
Not intentionally, anyway. I've actually gone back and re-edited just to put a reason in there; to make sure there was a record.

Robert E. Harrison Wed Sep 11, 2013 02:58pm
No edits made to my post
 
Gentlemen,
I did not edit my post. It stands as I originally posted it. As I stated, I am not a football official.


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