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johnnyg08 Mon Sep 02, 2013 06:47am
Many of us on here thought of the major advantage the defense gains from no AFD on DPI the day the rule change came out.

There were obviously no officials on the committee who were willing to make a case against getting rid of automatic first down. (I suppose they may have been out voted)

scrounge Mon Sep 02, 2013 08:12am
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Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 904036)
Many of us on here thought of the major advantage the defense gains from no AFD on DPI the day the rule change came out.

There were obviously no officials on the committee who were willing to make a case against getting rid of automatic first down. (I suppose they may have been out voted)
I don't think it was that so much as the only way they could eliminate loss of down on offense was accepting no AFD on defense. Some of the commentary was that it was a compromise to keep the balance of the change roughly the same - though it probably isn't. Some wanted to eliminate it on offense only, some on defense only, so in true committee fashion they compromised and satisfied no one.

HLin NC Mon Sep 02, 2013 09:28am
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I don't think it was that so much as the only way they could eliminate loss of down on offense was accepting no AFD on defense. Some of the commentary was that it was a compromise to keep the balance of the change roughly the same - though it probably isn't. Some wanted to eliminate it on offense only, some on defense only, so in true committee fashion they compromised and satisfied no one.
That is pretty much what we were told at the state clinic.

Rich Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:13am
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Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 904038)
I don't think it was that so much as the only way they could eliminate loss of down on offense was accepting no AFD on defense. Some of the commentary was that it was a compromise to keep the balance of the change roughly the same - though it probably isn't. Some wanted to eliminate it on offense only, some on defense only, so in true committee fashion they compromised and satisfied no one.
And next year we'll probably see the AFD back in.

Texas Aggie Mon Sep 02, 2013 06:09pm
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the only way they could eliminate loss of down on offense was accepting no AFD on defense
One has NOTHING to do with the other.

Adam Mon Sep 02, 2013 08:51pm
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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 904057)
One has NOTHING to do with the other.
Maybe true, but not in the minds of the rules lords. Was't this rationale specifically mentioned when the change was announced?

finqb13 Tue Sep 03, 2013 01:23am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 903878)
First experience with the horrible new enforcement of DPI.

3rd and 27. Deep pass to a wide open receiver. Defensive player goes right through the back of the receiver. After enforcement, it's 3rd and 12. Team ends up turning the ball over on downs.

Amazing thing is that nobody, NOBODY argued for an AFD. I mean, we still have people argue for those on garden variety personal fouls that have NEVER been AFD.
If you deemed it intentional it would have been an additional 15yds...... Right?

Welpe Tue Sep 03, 2013 07:49am
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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 904034)
Does Fed have spot of the foul up to 15 yard enforcement like the NCAA?
No, Fed is a simple 15 yards or half the distance.

I've never understood equating AFD with a loss of down. They are very different IMO. A 15 yard penalty PLUS a loss of down was a complete drive killer. They might as well have just given the ball to the defense.

Refsmitty Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:14am
Correct
 
:)

Robert Goodman Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:20am
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 904077)
I've never understood equating AFD with a loss of down.
Heck, I've never "understood" previous spot enforcement for DPI.

JRutledge Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:43am
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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 904097)
Heck, I've never "understood" previous spot enforcement for DPI.
That is because you must not understand penalty enforcement. ;)

Peace

CT1 Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 904097)
Heck, I've never "understood" previous spot enforcement for DPI.
Have you ever seen a wide-open receiver drop a pass?

Robert Goodman Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:34am
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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 904104)
Have you ever seen a wide-open receiver drop a pass?
Yeah, but they sure drop it a lot easier when someone gives them a good zetz as they're reaching for it!

voiceoflg Wed Sep 04, 2013 08:26am
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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 904126)
Yeah, but they sure drop it a lot easier when someone gives them a good zetz as they're reaching for it!
I'm glad I saw definition one. Putting definition two in context to your post made me laugh.

jTheUmp Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:50am
Had this happen in my game on Friday:

4th and 5 from the B-8.
DPI in the end zone.
Now it's 4th and 1 from the B-4.

Amazingly, the Team A coach didn't complain at all about not getting the AFD... it helped, I suppose, that his team scored a touchdown on the next play.


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