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MD Longhorn Mon Feb 11, 2013 04:41pm

NFL Wider Field
 
Here's one for the slow time.

NFL has considered widening the playing field 35 feet, and reportedly may revisit the idea

Y! SPORTS

Thoughts?

Welpe Mon Feb 11, 2013 04:58pm

Sure. Let's make it longer, the end zones deeper, take a down off and eliminate the fair catch. :rolleyes:

JugglingReferee Mon Feb 11, 2013 05:56pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 878539)
Sure. Let's make it longer, the end zones deeper, take a down off and eliminate the fair catch. :rolleyes:

I've got my resume primed with 17 years experience working this type of game. ;)

Robert Goodman Mon Feb 11, 2013 07:26pm

I can suggest ways they could have the game "play larger" by a little without needing to redo fields: Allow possession of the ball to be gained by a player in the air, without regard to where he lands. Then it'd be all about where he previously stepped. An add'l possibility would be to allow players to bat the ball while touching out of bounds; then it'd have to be about where the ball was, as in Rugby Union, so you'd need a view down the sideline.

Or you could go more radical and say a player's not out of bounds until both feet are touching ground beyond a boundary. Or you could have a "supporting points" standard as in wrestling.

Rich Mon Feb 11, 2013 07:29pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 878563)
I can suggest ways they could have the game "play larger" by a little without needing to redo fields: Allow possession of the ball to be gained by a player in the air, without regard to where he lands. Then it'd be all about where he previously stepped. An add'l possibility would be to allow players to bat the ball while touching out of bounds; then it'd have to be about where the ball was, as in Rugby Union, so you'd need a view down the sideline.

Or you could go more radical and say a player's not out of bounds until both feet are touching ground beyond a boundary. Or you could have a "supporting points" standard as in wrestling.

Or they could leave a great game alone.

Welpe Mon Feb 11, 2013 09:06pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 878564)
Or they could leave a great game alone.

Yabut haven't you seen the new NFL commercials? They're all about evolution!

APG Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 878563)
I can suggest ways they could have the game "play larger" by a little without needing to redo fields: Allow possession of the ball to be gained by a player in the air, without regard to where he lands. Then it'd be all about where he previously stepped. An add'l possibility would be to allow players to bat the ball while touching out of bounds; then it'd have to be about where the ball was, as in Rugby Union, so you'd need a view down the sideline.

Or you could go more radical and say a player's not out of bounds until both feet are touching ground beyond a boundary. Or you could have a "supporting points" standard as in wrestling.

No

voiceoflg Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:46pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 878549)
I've got my resume primed with 17 years experience working this type of game. ;)

But would the NFL adopt the rule allowing teams to kick the ball in and out and in and out of the end zone?

Texas Aggie Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:00am

This would have the OPPOSITE effect of making the game safer. Wider open areas would lead to collisions by players running faster. Thus, more injuries are likely.

Matt-MI Tue Feb 12, 2013 01:09am

I think most of the new NFL stadiums would be hard pressed to give up 35' from the sidelines

jTheUmp Tue Feb 12, 2013 09:21am

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Originally Posted by Matt-MI (Post 878653)
I think most of the new NFL stadiums would be hard pressed to give up 35' from the sidelines

And that, right there, is why this will never happen. If you widen the inbounds area of the playing field, you have to narrow the OOB/sideline areas. In the few NFL stadiums I've been in, there's not a lot of extra space on the sidelines right now anyway.

The other option would be to remove the first few rows of seats, which would A) be rather expensive on the construction side, although it's a one-time expense, and B) result in fewer high-priced seats available for paying customers (and no owner would go for this).

Robert Goodman Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:48pm

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Originally Posted by Matt-MI (Post 878653)
I think most of the new NFL stadiums would be hard pressed to give up 35' from the sidelines

That's why this didn't happen a century ago. The Intercollegiate Football Rules Committee was looking at ways to open up the game, and a leading proposal (promoted by Walter Camp, among others) was to widen the field. However, the cement had just been poured for what became Harvard's Soldier Field, which didn't have any more room, so it didn't pass. Instead we got the forward pass.

Robert Goodman Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:51pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 878684)
And that, right there, is why this will never happen. If you widen the inbounds area of the playing field, you have to narrow the OOB/sideline areas.

Or they grandfather the old fields in effect by adopting the same types of field dimension rules most other large-field games have, i.e. minimum & maximum, rather than exact, dimensions. And just build the new stadiums bigger.

MD Longhorn Wed Feb 13, 2013 09:24am

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 878635)
This would have the OPPOSITE effect of making the game safer. Wider open areas would lead to collisions by players running faster. Thus, more injuries are likely.

I think THIS point, and the point being made by those in favor of this (more space means less collisions in total) are both true, with the effects of these cancelling each other out and the overall total effect would be negligible.

Robert Goodman Wed Feb 13, 2013 07:49pm

I don't see why widening the field would result in any increase in the relative velocity of opponents hitting each other; I don't even see why it wouldn't result in a reduction of same. I mean vector-wise, which is the right way to think about it.

Consider for example what it would be like if the field were only 10 ft. wide. Practically all the motion of opposing players would be directed against each other. Give them more space to run sideways, and more of that motion will be so directed, rather than forwards. They'll get up to higher speeds, probably, but at lower relative velocity.


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