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HLin NC Thu Feb 07, 2013 01:38pm

Dare I say we see the intentional PI enter its heyday now? <shudder thingy>

JRutledge Thu Feb 07, 2013 01:39pm

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Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 877725)
Dare I say we see the intentional PI enter its heyday now? <shudder thingy>

We just might. Make the officials call it.

Peace

bisonlj Thu Feb 07, 2013 02:01pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 877724)
I think DPIs will go up. Why not, not much consequence for this action anymore. Stupid change.

Peace

I don't believe they'll go up significantly since most DPI's will still result in an AFD. Obviously the only time they won't is if the LTG is more than 15 yards or half the distance leaves them short or they are in a goal-to-go situation. I think any increase will come in those goal-to-go situation where a defender realizes he either gives up the TD or commits PI (especially on 3rd or 4th down). They'll get to replay the down but at least they'll have another chance to stop them. Even if you called intentional PI the down would still be replayed and you would only add another half the distance.

I do not like this change at all and hope it is still changed in editorial review.

JRutledge Thu Feb 07, 2013 02:07pm

I am not saying they will go up significantly, but I could see a coach or two teaching to foul when the down and distance is over 15 yards. And certainly do it in situations where the yardage is going to be a non-factor or even when the game is near the end. And we may actually see some situations where the intentional portion of that rule will be in play because HS kids often do not execute doing things on purpose without making it look like it was on purpose.

Peace

bisonlj Thu Feb 07, 2013 02:08pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 877734)
I am not saying they will go up significantly, but I could see a coach or two teaching to foul when the down and distance is over 15 yards. And certainly do it in situations where the yardage is going to be a non-factor or even when the game is near the end. And we may actually see some situations where the intentional portion of that rule will be in play because HS kids often do not execute doing things on purpose without making it look like it was on purpose.

Peace

I would if I were a coach.

HLin NC Thu Feb 07, 2013 02:33pm

If the defense persists, when would 10-9-2 come into effect?

Law of unintended consequenses.

maven Thu Feb 07, 2013 02:41pm

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Originally Posted by bisonlj (Post 877732)
I don't believe they'll go up significantly since most DPI's will still result in an AFD.

You mean they'll result in a first down. By rule, starting next year, they will NOT result in an AFD.

I dunno. I guess I expect DPI to be a more common tactic on 3rd-and-a-mile. No flag, D wins. Flag, it's still 3rd and long. Why wouldn't teams coach this?

"Don't let him catch it!"

waltjp Thu Feb 07, 2013 05:14pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 877685)
Excellent. Now, if we need the clock to stop and are out of timeouts, we just make sure someone's helmet comes off. GREAT idea.

It was happening anyway. An official's TO was used to get a sub in the game, same as an injury (or faked injury).

johnnyg08 Thu Feb 07, 2013 06:06pm

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Originally Posted by maven (Post 877744)
You mean they'll result in a first down. By rule, starting next year, they will NOT result in an AFD.

I dunno. I guess I expect DPI to be a more common tactic on 3rd-and-a-mile. No flag, D wins. Flag, it's still 3rd and long. Why wouldn't teams coach this?

"Don't let him catch it!"

They will coach it. We were coached it...since it's not a spot foul if you're going to give up a TD, tackle the receiver, good coaching IMO

Robert Goodman Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:11pm

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Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 877629)
“Offensive and defensive pass interference and the penalty structure related to these fouls has been debated many times in recent years,” Garrett said. “Proposals that either deleted the loss of down or the automatic first down – but not both – failed to gain support among committee members. The proposal to eliminate both components, thus not upsetting the balance between offense and defense, was the key factor in the adoption of the new rule.”

But overall it favors the offense. 15 yds. will usually produce a 1st down anyway, and if I'm 2nd & 16, I'd rather repeat the down and get 2nd & 1. Where it'll mostly matter is against the defense in a half-the-distance enforcement -- which actually is where you needed the AFD the most.

johnnyg08 Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:19am

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 877804)
Where it'll mostly matter is against the defense in a half-the-distance enforcement -- which actually is where you needed the AFD the most.


This will likely be a major issue around the goal line. No doubt.

Robert Goodman Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:18pm

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Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 877810)
This will likely be a major issue around the goal line. No doubt.

Maybe in a yr. or 2 they'll add a special enforcement near B's end zone.

In Fed's football rules committee archives, in the 1940s (or maybe it was the late '30s) the sec'y or chairman wrote that he thought NCAA's failure to automatically award a TD on DPI in B's end zone was outdated, owing to a time when TDs had been scarcer, and advocated and expected Fed to make it a TD. That was one of the changes that was never adopted.

CT1 Sat Feb 09, 2013 07:20am

My understanding is that the loss of the AFD provision was a compromise to get the LOD out of the enforcement. I suspect that AFD will be reinstated in a couple of years after some rules committee members have rotated off.

asdf Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:44pm

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Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 877810)
This will likely be a major issue around the goal line. No doubt.


+1

4th and goal at the 9. Team will teach if you get beat, interfere with the player. The worst than can happen is 4th and goal at the 2 1/4.

Bad move by the Rules Committee :mad:

CT1 Sun Feb 10, 2013 07:29am

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In addition, the survey indicated there were 1,805 girls who played football in 2011-12.
I'm really surprised by this number, especially if Texas isn't included.


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