NFHS question

tjones1

Was this a Coach-Referee conference?

JasonLJ

tjones1 wrote
Was this a Coach-Referee conference?

It was.

maven

JRutledge wrote
That is what I was thinking. That is going to be a longer discussion to change that thinking in that moment.

Peace

Not much longer: "It is still a forward pass until it is caught or becomes dead by rule."

JRutledge

maven wrote
Not much longer: "It is still a forward pass until it is caught or becomes dead by rule."

That is if they accept that comment. There are people all the time that insist on things being in a definition and clearly are wrong. So I agree in a perfect world it should click in their mind that is true, but some people are not aware of some basic definitions they will argue points they cannot prove without a rulebook present. And unless you are in Ohio that is not going to happen. 😛

Peace

CT1

JasonLJ wrote
I still had it as roughing, same as the WH.

Not trying to be ugly, but why were you looking at the QB?

JRutledge

CT1 wrote
Not trying to be ugly, but why were you looking at the QB?

I did not take this has him actually looking at the QB or passer. I took this has him explaining why he would go with RTP. As this appears to have been a coach-official conference. And depending on the play, he would be looking at the QB rolling to his side and might notice him getting hit and might even notice a tipped ball immediately as well.

Peace

BktBallRef

maven wrote
Not much longer: "It is still a forward pass until it is caught or becomes dead by rule."

Tipped ball hits the ground and then the "passer" is hit, he is no longer a passer. But you could still have a dead ball PF.

JasonLJ

CT1 wrote
Not trying to be ugly, but why were you looking at the QB?

I wasn't. I actually was umpiring this game. The WH asked if the ball was tipped, I told him it was. I was just agreeing that if he had roughing, then the call should stand regardless of the tipped ball.

CT1

JasonLJ wrote
I wasn't. I actually was umpiring this game. The WH asked if the ball was tipped, I told him it was. I was just agreeing that if he had roughing, then the call should stand regardless of the tipped ball.

OK, sorry. I took your post to mean that you *also* thought the hit on the passer was RTP.

Robert Goodman

JasonLJ wrote
The kicker is one official (Who is also a WH but was head linesman this game)

Why is an official allowed to play in his own game? Next you'll be telling me the teams had linesmen.

MD Longhorn

Robert Goodman wrote
Why is an official allowed to play in his own game? Next you'll be telling me the teams had linesmen.

Ok, I'll give you this one... that was funny.

JugglingReferee

JasonLJ wrote
In a game Friday night, the R had roughing the passer on Team B, but the pass was tipped behind the line (screen pass) also by Team B. Team B wanted the roughing taken away because the ball was tipped. The R made the initial call, talked to the Team B coach, was going to wave it off then decided to still enforce it. looked like a clown show. My question is does a tipped ball cancel out roughing the passer?

CANADIAN RULING:

No.

Nor would it matter if the B player tipping the ball was the same player that was flagged for RTP.

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