The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Football (https://forum.officiating.com/football/)
-   -   Going too Far? (https://forum.officiating.com/football/92753-going-too-far.html)

grunewar Wed Oct 24, 2012 08:42pm

Going too Far?
 
NFL will use pink penalty flags in Miami Dolphins vs. New York Jets game - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

Sometimes I find all the pink stuff the players, coaches, and officials are wearing just a bit distracting......but this is taking it to an entire new level.

Ok with it? Don't care? Stop it already!?

Maybe I should start a poll.......

Forksref Wed Oct 24, 2012 08:45pm

Too far. The NCAA recently sent a memo to all schools: NO pink stuff.

Just play the game.

Adam Wed Oct 24, 2012 09:40pm

No big deal. Yellow is an arbitrary color anyway.

legend Wed Oct 24, 2012 09:42pm

Way to far. The pink socks...ok,...pink gloves...maybe but the shoes, towels, wrist bands...its all just a little bit excessive. I think it's a nobel cause but there has got to be a point where everyone says enough is enough.

johnnyg08 Wed Oct 24, 2012 09:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 859988)
NFL will use pink penalty flags in Miami Dolphins vs. New York Jets game - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

Sometimes I find all the pink stuff the players, coaches, and officials are wearing just a bit distracting......but this is taking it to an entire new level.

Ok with it? Don't care? Stop it already!?

Maybe I should start a poll.......

I think people are making millions of dollars selling pink stuff.

The money spent on the pink stuff should go straight to cancer research or straight to people's medical bills. We're well aware of breast cancer, in fact, I don't think we can be any more aware. There's no longer a need to raise awareness.

Rich Wed Oct 24, 2012 09:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forksref (Post 859990)
Too far. The NCAA recently sent a memo to all schools: NO pink stuff.

Just play the game.

Really? We've seen quite a bit of pink in NCAA games. Even received permission to wear pink lanyards and whistles ourselves.

JRutledge Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:59pm

I think it is going too far, but it is what it is. And it really is not going to make much of a difference. I think honestly a week or two should be enough, but all weeks in the NFL IMO is a little much. But this is not going to change. I just hope all the things Pink raise a lot of money.

Peace

CT1 Thu Oct 25, 2012 06:24am

I think those who "overindulge" on Saturday night are going to have a big surprise.

I'd be more impressed if all NFL employees (coaches, players, officials, league execs, etc) gave 1% of their salaries to cancer research & prevention.

bigjohn Thu Oct 25, 2012 06:34am

I am not a fan at all. We have had pink every game in October and even last game in sept. It looks bad with orange I know that.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-j.../s653/pink.jpg

maven Thu Oct 25, 2012 06:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 860019)
I am not a fan at all. We have had pink every game in October and even last game in sept. It looks bad with orange I know that.

Tsk, tsk. The OHSAA has not approved pink for players or officials. Unless you have an exemption letter, you're in violation.

To me, it's just another fashion fad. I can't get too excited about it either way.

johnnyg08 Thu Oct 25, 2012 06:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by maven (Post 860022)

To me, it's just another fashion fad.

Agree.

HLin NC Thu Oct 25, 2012 07:12am

Its getting old and tired and eventually will outlive its usefulness.

bigjohn Thu Oct 25, 2012 07:37am

Quote:

Tsk, tsk. The OHSAA has not approved pink for players or officials. Unless you have an exemption letter, you're in violation.

To me, it's just another fashion fad. I can't get too excited about it either way
I have told my AD that and he said, What are they going to do?

The answer is nothing. A couple of crews even said, you know we are supposed to have a letter from OHSAA for pink. I said, I know. Unless the officials make everyone take it off if unexempt there will be no change, I don't think the officials should have to but like other rules, if they don't enforce, no one will.

Adam Thu Oct 25, 2012 08:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by maven (Post 860022)
Tsk, tsk. The OHSAA has not approved pink for players or officials. Unless you have an exemption letter, you're in violation.

To me, it's just another fashion fad. I can't get too excited about it either way.

What rule is being broken in this picture?

HLin NC Thu Oct 25, 2012 08:34am

The only thing that is enforcable is the towels as by rule they must be white. There is no rule against pink undershirts, pink wristbands, or pink shoes.

NCHSAA is allowing them if the team contacts the state office and the state e-mails them back an exemption. Most of us think that's a bunch of bureaucratic b.s. and would have been better handled by just stating for the month of October, pink towels are approved.

parepat Thu Oct 25, 2012 08:41am

I don't care either way. We have enough other stuff to worry about.

maven Thu Oct 25, 2012 09:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 860028)
What rule is being broken in this picture?

You're right: nothing that I can see. I was assuming violations of 1-5-3, some of which we've had to correct this year, but they're not pictured.

bigjohn Thu Oct 25, 2012 09:52am

Many of those guys have on pink towels and pink eyeblack patches(I know pink patches). None were forced to remove them.

Rich Thu Oct 25, 2012 09:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 860047)
Many of those guys have on pink towels and pink eyeblack patches(I know pink patches). None were forced to remove them.

When the state I live in specifically tells me to deal with these types of things, I will. As far as towels go, I probably wouldn't do anything about a pink towel, either. And yes, I know what the rule says.

As far as the officials go, I've communicated with our guy in charge and he's perfectly fine with us wearing pink.

Reminds me, I need to coordinate our crew's donation to the BCRF this week since it's our last game. I won't wear pink unless we donate some cash, too.

bigjohn Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:31am

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e...s653/pink2.jpg

Rich Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 860047)
Many of those guys have on pink towels and pink eyeblack patches(I know pink patches). None were forced to remove them.

So what? Why do YOU care?

maven Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 860069)
So what? Why do YOU care?

Rich, I think he's reporting, not complaining. I think he's posting photos of his own team.

Of course, it might be a complaint about officials not enforcing OHSAA regs, which would be in character for him.

Rich Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by maven (Post 860070)
Rich, I think he's reporting, not complaining. I think he's posting photos of his own team.

Of course, it might be a complaint about officials not enforcing OHSAA regs, which would be in character for him.

He doesn't quite understand the difference in officials not knowing the rules and feeling they have more important things to worry about.

bigjohn Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:16pm

Just posting what we had on. I don't like it but it is what it is. I think if the OHSAA has a policy then it should be followed by all involved but none of that is my call.


http://www.mvoaofficials.org/2012-07...august-24-2012


1) Uniforms - all jerseys must comply with NFHS rules. If you are looking for an exemption to the jersey
rules for this season only, email me immediately. If you plan to sponsor an "awareness" game and will
wear special jerseys such as camouflage to honor the military or pink for breast cancer awareness please
email me for permission. We will grant a ONE game jersey exception

Texas Aggie Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:31pm

The teams can do what they want, but I refuse to wear pink stuff. I don't even like wearing patches or the Flag. They call it a uniform for a reason.

Rich Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 860078)
The teams can do what they want, but I refuse to wear pink stuff. I don't even like wearing patches or the Flag. They call it a uniform for a reason.

We all wear the same pink whistle, lanyard, wristbands, and bean bag on my crew. What's not uniform about that?

Canned Heat Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:41pm

This thread should get fun now....I remember catching all sorts of grief when I dared to say I was all for the black pants a few years back.

grunewar Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:52pm

Like others, I agree with the intent of wearing pink. Got it.

But to what end? Where does it end?

It seems like it started with just a little item to bring attention to the issue - referee's whistle or players socks for example. But now it's getting to the point of everyone playing, "Can you top this?"

How much pink can you wear/display? I can wear more than you! I can have gloves, eye-black/pink, socks, cleats, bean bags, hats, helmets, towels, etc., etc.

When are we going to get "pink playing items" (the ball as in basketball), chain gang markers, flags on the goal post, markers in the end zone. Heck, let's mark the field in pink vice white! We already have black, red, and blue turf - is pink next!

You heard it here first. ;)

Welpe Thu Oct 25, 2012 09:26pm

Grune, the field for my high school game tonight had pink lines. The numbers were pink ribbons in the place of zeros and the 3 yard marks were blue ribbons.

Texas Aggie Sat Oct 27, 2012 03:49pm

Quote:

We all wear the same pink whistle, lanyard, wristbands, and bean bag on my crew.
That's not a uniform, its NASCAR or minor league baseball!

You're using "uniform" as an adverb (or a descriptive term, anyway). I'm using it as a noun. Your crew may be uniform (as you would be if you all went out in the same onesie), but you aren't wearing THE uniform.

You guys do whatever you want. I don't see how me wearing or not wearing pink furthers or detracts from the issue of breast cancer. If I'm going to make a donation, I'd rather make one straight up than buy something where a portion of the proceeds goes there and what I bought is otherwise useless.

Forksref Mon Oct 29, 2012 09:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 860004)
I think people are making millions of dollars selling pink stuff.

The money spent on the pink stuff should go straight to cancer research or straight to people's medical bills. We're well aware of breast cancer, in fact, I don't think we can be any more aware. There's no longer a need to raise awareness.



It has been found that some of the companies that sell items with the pink ribbon, etc. on the packaging who promise to donate so much to cancer research are not following through on their promises. It has become a scam in some cases.

MD Longhorn Mon Oct 29, 2012 09:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 860362)
That's not a uniform, its NASCAR or minor league baseball!

You're using "uniform" as an adverb (or a descriptive term, anyway). I'm using it as a noun. Your crew may be uniform (as you would be if you all went out in the same onesie), but you aren't wearing THE uniform.

You guys do whatever you want. I don't see how me wearing or not wearing pink furthers or detracts from the issue of breast cancer. If I'm going to make a donation, I'd rather make one straight up than buy something where a portion of the proceeds goes there and what I bought is otherwise useless.

Well, actually, since you asked.

If they weren't wearing pink, this thread would not exist.
And breast cancer has been mentioned several times already. The mere existence of this thread and the fact that we might talk about pink (and thus think of breast cancer research) on the field has accomplished their goal.

Rich Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 860454)
Well, actually, since you asked.

If they weren't wearing pink, this thread would not exist.
And breast cancer has been mentioned several times already. The mere existence of this thread and the fact that we might talk about pink (and thus think of breast cancer research) on the field has accomplished their goal.

On top of this:

I had a crew member ask me about this a couple of years ago. I thought about it for some time. Finally, I said, "Sure, we'll do this, but I'll only do it if we do it as a crew and put together a donation at the end of the season."

One of my crew members doesn't contribute. I don't pressure him -- rather, I quietly contribute his share myself. I remember what it was like when my boss tried pressuring me to give to the United Way years ago. I didn't and it was uncomfortable.

Without the conversation of wearing pink, I doubt any of this happens. Next year I plan to take this association-wide (I'll pay for the whistles/lanyards from my association budget) and see how much money we can raise for the BCRF.

Adam Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 860456)
On top of this:

I had a crew member ask me about this a couple of years ago. I thought about it for some time. Finally, I said, "Sure, we'll do this, but I'll only do it if we do it as a crew and put together a donation at the end of the season."

One of my crew members doesn't contribute. I don't pressure him -- rather, I quietly contribute his share myself. I remember what it was like when my boss tried pressuring me to give to the United Way years ago. I didn't and it was uncomfortable.

Without the conversation of wearing pink, I doubt any of this happens. Next year I plan to take this association-wide (I'll pay for the whistles/lanyards from my association budget) and see how much money we can raise for the BCRF.

I know a few FB officials who wear pink. Most of the basketball officials do it locally, and we have a drive to donate. Before basketball games, we have the PA announcers explain why we're wearing pink (sometimes necessary as the shirts some folks wear just look like a bad day in the laundry). I change my shoe strings and use a pink whistle.

I haven't seen such a concerted drive in FB here locally, though. But it was my first season and I missed a couple of meetings.

hawk65 Mon Oct 29, 2012 02:44pm

What would you do? On a night when many players are wearing many pink items, you saw a player wearing several fluorescent lime green items. You approach him and tell him he can't wear those items and he responds, "My dad died three days ago of pancreatic cancer. If those players can wear pink to raise awareness of breast cancer, I am going to wear this color to raise awareness of pancreatic cancer!"

JugglingReferee Mon Oct 29, 2012 03:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk65 (Post 860497)
What would you do? On a night when many players are wearing many pink items, you saw a player wearing several fluorescent lime green items. You approach him and tell him he can't wear those items and he responds, "My dad died three days ago of pancreatic cancer. If those players can wear pink to raise awareness of breast cancer, I am going to wear this color to raise awareness of pancreatic cancer!"

I doubt I would even approach him. But then again, we have fewer uniform rules in Canada.

Rich Mon Oct 29, 2012 03:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk65 (Post 860497)
What would you do? On a night when many players are wearing many pink items, you saw a player wearing several fluorescent lime green items. You approach him and tell him he can't wear those items and he responds, "My dad died three days ago of pancreatic cancer. If those players can wear pink to raise awareness of breast cancer, I am going to wear this color to raise awareness of pancreatic cancer!"


I'd ask him if he had something I could wear, too.

MD Longhorn Mon Oct 29, 2012 03:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk65 (Post 860497)
What would you do? On a night when many players are wearing many pink items, you saw a player wearing several fluorescent lime green items. You approach him and tell him he can't wear those items and he responds, "My dad died three days ago of pancreatic cancer. If those players can wear pink to raise awareness of breast cancer, I am going to wear this color to raise awareness of pancreatic cancer!"

One player dressing different for some reason is completely different from an entire team, UNIFORMLY, dressing for that same reason.

CT1 Mon Oct 29, 2012 05:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk65 (Post 860497)
What would you do? On a night when many players are wearing many pink items, you saw a player wearing several fluorescent lime green items. You approach him and tell him he can't wear those items and he responds, "My dad died three days ago of pancreatic cancer. If those players can wear pink to raise awareness of breast cancer, I am going to wear this color to raise awareness of pancreatic cancer!"

Why would this be a problem, as long as he's wearing the items in the proscribed manner?

ajmc Mon Oct 29, 2012 06:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk65 (Post 860497)
What would you do? On a night when many players are wearing many pink items, you saw a player wearing several fluorescent lime green items. You approach him and tell him he can't wear those items and he responds, "My dad died three days ago of pancreatic cancer. If those players can wear pink to raise awareness of breast cancer, I am going to wear this color to raise awareness of pancreatic cancer!"

This is the EXACT reason the rule makers clamped down on what is permissable to wear. It's real easy for smart officials; either it's a plain white towel or an absorbent sweatbad worn as specified. Nothing else is allowed, unless someone with the proper authority authorizes an exception.

The rule makers, thankfully realized, that the American teenager can come up with far more reasons for violating rules than rule makers can think to specifically prevent, so what is allowable is a really short list. At some point we all have to learn that life isn't always exactly fair, and sometimes it's "us" who have to make the adjustment.

Of course the player can wear whatever his team allows on the sideline, we only control on what is allowable within the game. There are always other venues to highlight a worthy cause.

Rich Mon Oct 29, 2012 06:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajmc (Post 860546)
This is the EXACT reason the rule makers clamped down on what is permissable to wear. It's real easy for smart officials; either it's a plain white towel or an absorbent sweatbad worn as specified. Nothing else is allowed, unless someone with the proper authority authorizes an exception.

The rule makers, thankfully realized, that the American teenager can come up with far more reasons for violating rules than rule makers can think to specifically prevent, so what is allowable is a really short list. At some point we all have to learn that life isn't always exactly fair, and sometimes it's "us" who have to make the adjustment.

Of course the player can wear whatever his team allows on the sideline, we only control on what is allowable within the game. There are always other venues to highlight a worthy cause.

Eh, it just doesn't matter that much to me. Don't see it as some kind of crisis.

HLin NC Mon Oct 29, 2012 07:26pm

There is no rule for sweatband colors, just towels. We have no standing to tell him he can't wear snot green shoes, socks, undershirt, chin strap, mouthpiece, handwarmer, or shoelaces.

Is it all overdone- yes. Do I care- no.

Adam Mon Oct 29, 2012 07:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 860555)
There is no rule for sweatband colors, just towels. We have no standing to tell him he can't wear snot green shoes, socks, undershirt, chin strap, mouthpiece, handwarmer, or shoelaces.

Is it all overdone- yes. Do I care- no.

This.

Texas Aggie Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:47pm

Quote:

The mere existence of this thread and the fact that we might talk about pink (and thus think of breast cancer research) on the field has accomplished their goal.
Exactly what goal has it accomplished? Over-saturation runs the risk of turning people off this stuff. And don't forget the black eye Koman got and still has when it was revealed they support a particular organization.

JRutledge Tue Oct 30, 2012 01:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 860575)
Exactly what goal has it accomplished? Over-saturation runs the risk of turning people off this stuff. And don't forget the black eye Koman got and still has when it was revealed they support a particular organization.

You cannot really be asking this question. It has obviously made the color pink synonymous with the disease. And it has certainly raised awareness with the average public of research and getting tested for the signs of the disease. I get that this is such a manly sport and it bothers some to use sport to raise awareness for things (God Forbid) but does it really matter if for one day the crew uses a color not yellow for something? After all we have changed bean bag colors in the last couple of years and I do not see the tragedy in that fact either. Just the fact that some have objected to this the way they have objected makes me really support these things now. Yes I agree there are some things that are overkill, but I would do anything to have my aunt back if there was awareness there is now. If it saves someone from early detection I am happy. I do not want anyone to go through what my family went through and my two cousins in losing their mother to that disease. Is it really that bad to deal with and now it will be over when November comes?

Peace

Rich Tue Oct 30, 2012 06:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 860575)
Exactly what goal has it accomplished? Over-saturation runs the risk of turning people off this stuff. And don't forget the black eye Koman got and still has when it was revealed they support a particular organization.

Our donation does NOT go to Komen. Komen doesn't own the color pink nor are they the default charity when it comes to breast cancer research.

My research led me to the Breast Cancer Research Fund (bcrfcure.org). A+ rating by the American Institute of Philanthropy. 90%+ of the money received goes to research and awareness programs.

I didn't even consider Komen after they started suing other organizations for using the phrase "for the cure." Any organization that thinks that their money is best spent in this way shouldn't receive my money.

Rich Tue Oct 30, 2012 07:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 860576)
You cannot really be asking this question. It has obviously made the color pink synonymous with the disease. And it has certainly raised awareness with the average public of research and getting tested for the signs of the disease. I get that this is such a manly sport and it bothers some to use sport to raise awareness for things (God Forbid) but does it really matter if for one day the crew uses a color not yellow for something? After all we have changed bean bag colors in the last couple of years and I do not see the tragedy in that fact either. Just the fact that some have objected to this the way they have objected makes me really support these things now. Yes I agree there are some things that are overkill, but I would do anything to have my aunt back if there was awareness there is now. If it saves someone from early detection I am happy. I do not want anyone to go through what my family went through and my two cousins in losing their mother to that disease. Is it really that bad to deal with and now it will be over when November comes?

Peace

Exactly right.

We've had a breast cancer scare in my immediate family and have lost people in my family to other types of cancer. No amount of awareness is "too much."

It's only one month. It's not a huge deal. And for those of you that hate it, you probably won't see the pink this weekend.

cdoug Tue Oct 30, 2012 07:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich (Post 860582)
any organization that thinks that their money is best spent in this way shouldn't receive my money.

+1

grunewar Sat Nov 03, 2012 07:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 860583)
And for those of you that hate it, you probably won't see the pink this weekend.

You were certainly right.

Robert Goodman Sat Nov 03, 2012 07:18pm

Remember when the penalty flags -- and corner flags -- were red in Fed?


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:36pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1