Enforcement Options for Illegal Forward Pass
 

I've read and re-read this section of the rulebook a few times, and I can't think of any reason why the offended team would want to decline the penalty for an illegal forward pass that was incomplete. Given the option of having the down counted at the spot of the pass versus having the down counted at the spot of the pass with a 5-yard penalty tacked on, why would it ever be advantageous to pick the former?

Can anyone else think of a reason the offended team might want to decline the distance penalty of an illegal incomplete forward pass? (Other than sheer kindness...or pity.) Is there a potential situation that I'm overlooking?

I've also considered the possibility that this text was added simply to clarify where the ball would be next put in play following an illegal incomplete forward pass when the penalty was declined. Instead of going back to the previous spot as is done on legal incomplete forward passes, the ball is put into play at the spot of the illegal forward pass.

What are your thoughts? Would this ever be a viable option for the offended team, or is this just meant to clarify the location of the succeeding spot?

A second foul by Team A after the illegal incomplete forward pass.

1- the distance part of the penalty can always be declined.

2- nevermind.

An illegal forward pass is considered a running play for penalty enforcement purposes, and the spot of the illegal forward pass is the end of the run. If the penalty for the second foul by Team A were accepted, it would be enforced from the spot of the illegal forward pass (not the previous spot).

Does this mean that if Team B declined the penalty for the illegal forward pass and accepted the penalty for the second foul by Team A then the loss of down aspect of the IFP penalty could still be enforced?

I still don't see how this would benefit Team B.

Assuming that Team A didn't make the line-to-gain on 4th down, wouldn't Team B want the extra 5 yards before they take over on downs?

Not necessarily, unless I'm missing something.

How about this:

4/10 @ A10, 15 seconds to play, B is losing by a point. QB runs to the A11 near the sideline and throws a pass complete to A88 @ A25, 3 seconds remain on the clock.

B should (1) accept the IFP but might (2) decline the yardage penalty. Why decline it? The spot of the foul will put the ball on a hash mark, and the angle for their kicker might be improved by kicking it from the 11 rather than the 6.

I can't determine this with any document I can access right now, but I strongly suspect this is legacy language. Either it was put in (1) before there was a more general provision allowing the distance (portion of a) penalty to be declined for any foul, or (2) at a time when certain cases of batting the ball would've been classified as illegal passes and hence the pass could be occurring from some point other than the end of a run. In the case of 1, it would've been there to complete coverage of cases, because the rules state how to proceed after an incomplete legal forward pass but not an illegal one (other than via penalty).

My first thought is it is clarifying what would happen in the unlikely event the penalty was declined. Some might think "incomplete pass" and go to the previous spot.

This might also go with the premise that an illegal forward pass in the end zone would result in a safety regardless of what the defense chooses.

Let's say it's 4th and 10 at the A5 and A is punting with a 4-point lead and 20 seconds left on the clock. The punter bobbles the snap and rather than trying to kick it he attempts to throw it before he's tackled. But there is no eligible receiver in the area so the R drops a flag for IG. Without this language, B might decline the foul thinking they'll get the ball at the A5 with a chance for a TD. But since declining the penalty gives A the ball at the spot of the illegal pass, it would be safety either way.

IG and IFP are two different things. Declining IG would, in fact, give B the ball at the A5.

Not in Fed. In NCAA they can decline and take the ball at the previous spot. In Fed, it will be a safety either way.

That is not correct. Intentional grounding is a type of illegal forward pass. 7-5-3 applies to all forms of illegal forward pass including those covered in 7-5-2d and 7-5-2e.

I've always considered IG to be a type of IFP. Rules 7-5-2(d) & (e) and Table 7-5-2 both seem to support that idea.

I realize that IG has a different signal than other other forms of an IFP, but otherwise the rules seem to classify it as an IFP.

He's in Texas and they use NCAA rules. What he said is correct under NCAA rules.

Who said anything about previous spot?

What if the second penalty was for a foul behind the end of the run?

Can you say "All But One?"

Good point. So the spot of the IFP becomes the basic spot, and fouls by the offense behind the basic spot are penalized from the spot of the foul (i.e., All But One). Even though the penalty for IFP might be declined, the spot of the IFP would still be used as the basic spot for any other fouls committed during the down.

But back to my earlier question:

If Team B declined the penalty for an IFP and accepted the penalty for a second foul by Team A, would the loss of down aspect of the IFP penalty still be enforced, or would the down be replayed?

The down would be replayed if another live ball foul (with no LOD provision) is accepted in lieu of the IFP.

So, 1/10 on A40. A throws an IFP at A38 while also holding at the a) A39 or b)A35.

Options for a) are
Accept IFP 2/10 A33 or Accept holding 1/10 A28

Opptions for b) are
Accept IFP 2/10 A33 or Accept holding 1/10 A25

Do I have that right?

Not quite. Why 2/10 or 1/10 for all options? You're either replaying the down or losing it.

NFHS rules:

The IFP is enforced as a running play. The end of the run is the A38.

Accept IFP, decline hold: 2/17 A33 for either situation.

Accept hold, decline IFP: a) 1/22 A28. b) 1/25 A25. All-but-one enforcement. B is the "but one" scenario.

We don't reset the chains. The LTG is still the 50.

And that's why I referee the football that doesn't use a line to gain. :D

I read the LOTG once on a lazy Sunday afternoon. That book sure is thin in comparison to the NCAA football rule book. :D

It can feel even thinner when your out there (basically) by yourself.

2/10 if the IFP is accepted, 1st down if some other penalty is accepted instead.

Try Silmarillion next...