Kick, receive or defer revisited

[maven]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

The R in the OP handled it right: correct them once, then announce defer. DO NOT allow them to choose the kick option. Defer gets them to the same place, and if something weird like wind is at play, choosing the end of the field gets them to play defense first if they choose.

Another way to make the same point: by interpreting "kick" to mean "defer," they STILL have to option to kick twice, if that's what they really want.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by maven

Another way to make the same point: by interpreting "kick" to mean "defer," they STILL have to option to kick twice, if that's what they really want.

I thought the same thing...

About 3 years ago, we had a RIDICULOUSLY windy game on our hands. The kid said "kick". R said, "are you sure you don't mean defer". Kid said, "No, I'm sure - coach said to kick." R (as we've all seen before, and as was done in the OP) signalled that his side deferred. Then, as he's about to ask the kid that won the toss what side they want to defend, the OTHER kid pipes up, "Then WE want to kick."

That was a S-Storm to fix. We did NOT look good after that.

[Rich]

I am playing how I do the coin toss in my head and, come to think of it, I don't present any options. I say, "You've won the toss, it's your option" and I can't remember ever having to say more at the varsity level.

[legend]

Had a Jr, Hi. game thursday night where the team that won the toss (with their coach present) opted to defend. Asked if they ment to defer they said no defend. Again they were asked (with the question being directed to the coach this time) Are you sure you didnt mean to say defer. And the answer again for the 3rd time was "no we want to defend". Some times we just can't help them at all. By the way, loved the coaches face when after the half he realized that he was kicking AGAIN to start the 2nd half. At that point he said...and I quote "Oh so thats why you asked us 3 times if we ment defer" Costly lesson learned.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by legend

Had a Jr, Hi. game thursday night where the team that won the toss (with their coach present) opted to defend. Asked if they ment to defer they said no defend. Again they were asked (with the question being directed to the coach this time) Are you sure you didnt mean to say defer. And the answer again for the 3rd time was "no we want to defend". Some times we just can't help them at all. By the way, loved the coaches face when after the half he realized that he was kicking AGAIN to start the 2nd half. At that point he said...and I quote "Oh so thats why you asked us 3 times if we ment defer" Costly lesson learned.

Wait a minute...what did you interpret "defend" to mean? Neither the kicking nor the receiving team can be said to "defend", but if I were forced to decide which team that means, I would say it's the receiving team, defending the field against the kickoff.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Wait a minute...what did you interpret "defend" to mean? Neither the kicking nor the receiving team can be said to "defend", but if I were forced to decide which team that means, I would say it's the receiving team, defending the field against the kickoff.

Nonsense. Defend means to defend an end. Which leaves the other team to choose between kicking off at the empty end or to receive at the empty end.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Wait a minute...what did you interpret "defend" to mean? Neither the kicking nor the receiving team can be said to "defend", but if I were forced to decide which team that means, I would say it's the receiving team, defending the field against the kickoff.

Ridiculous. If that was the case, the coach would have been shocked a lot earlier, like when the wing asked for a ball for the kickoff.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Wait a minute...what did you interpret "defend" to mean? Neither the kicking nor the receiving team can be said to "defend", but if I were forced to decide which team that means, I would say it's the receiving team, defending the field against the kickoff.

Check your rule book and try again. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

[jchamp]

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"Do you want to be able to receive the kick at the start of the second half?"
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If the answer is anything that resembles "yes", then assume he means "Defer."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Check your rule book and try again. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Check your rule book and try again. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

Hey, not my fault the guy tries to go off menu with "defend" without indicating a goal to defend. The word has no official meaning in that context, but I'd say my interpret'n is as good as any. Can we take it he didn't have his mouth guard in when he said it?