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HLin NC Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:57am

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The player in white never looked toward the ball, but was watching the player in black all the way.
You do realize that is probably reason #1 to call it DPI? You argue against your own position.

MD Longhorn Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:19pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 856484)
From the video, not even close to face guarding. The player in white never looked toward the ball, but was watching the player in black all the way. The player in black was playing the ball. So not only was it not face guarding because he was making an attempt to catch it (which succeeded), it was not face guarding because he didn't hinder the opponent's vision -- the opponent was looking the wrong way to begin with. I don't know what you guys who are calling it face guarding are seeing, from such a good video.

Um ... I think your complete misunderstanding of this play is the result of you thinking the player in white was the offense. White is the defense, and the player guilty of faceguarding. Black is offense, and is looking at the ball, and somehow managed to catch it behind White's head.

JRutledge Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:30pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 856489)
Um ... I think your complete misunderstanding of this play is the result of you thinking the player in white was the offense. White is the defense, and the player guilty of faceguarding. Black is offense, and is looking at the ball, and somehow managed to catch it behind White's head.

Also faceguarding is not unique to the defense. Both offense and defense cannot face guard.

Peace

MD Longhorn Fri Sep 28, 2012 01:40pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 856491)
Also faceguarding is not unique to the defense. Both offense and defense cannot face guard.

Peace

I know that... but it's apparent from what he said that he's looking at the wrong guy as the faceguarder.

CT1 Fri Sep 28, 2012 02:29pm

I would want my crew to have a DPI flag on this play, without waiting to see if it were completed.

Robert Goodman Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:15am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 856485)
It is based on interpretation. Again we do not judge whether they actually succeed in obstructing vision, we judge based on the fact the arms are up and attempting to do nothing else but get in the way of the vision.

But that's not what the player in black was doing, he was going for the ball. Meanwhile the player in white was playing the player in black, not looking for the ball. It's hard for me to believe we could be seeing this so differently.

Robert Goodman Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:19am

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 856494)
I know that... but it's apparent from what he said that he's looking at the wrong guy as the faceguarder.

Oh. Never mind. I was indeed trying to find the face guarding on the part of the black player that I thought you guys were imagining. I could certainly understand the white player's being flagged.


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