Batting the ball

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Welpe

That is correct. Keep in mind that if Team B bats the grounded kick into their end zone, the impetus for putting the ball into the end zone is now on them.

Well I guess I am really not concerned about the EZ but to the sideline or in an effort to simply get it away from the opponent. I guess I just see a hole in the rule whether it is a real hole in NCAA rules or just me bringing a NF rule to the table of my thinking.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well I guess I am really not concerned about the EZ but to the sideline or in an effort to simply get it away from the opponent. I guess I just see a hole in the rule whether it is a real hole in NCAA rules or just me bringing a NF rule to the table of my thinking.

Peace

Maybe you've neglected the fact that if the batted ball went out of bounds, it's still a kick --- and thus still a kick out of bounds.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Maybe you've neglected the fact that if the batted ball went out of bounds, it's still a kick --- and thus still a kick out of bounds.

It's a kick out of bounds but if B touches it before it goes out, it isn't a foul.

[MD Longhorn]

Nevermind - brain cramp... got my A's, B's, R's, and K's mixed up in my head.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Welpe

It's a kick out of bounds but if B touches it before it goes out, it isn't a foul.

I am not saying it was a foul for touching, specifically batting. I know it would not be a foul on the kicking team, but questioning if it should be for the batting that would be beneficial to the team doing the batting no matter the direction.

Peace

[Robert Goodman]

Around 15 yrs. ago in a NFL playoff game where a particular team K, behind in the score, was particularly good at this artificial-surface onside kick. They attempted one, and a particular player of R, timing his jump well, batted the ball out of bounds. 10 yds. penalty & repeat; play repeated. This time in addition there was a conference between the referee and R's captain. Watching on TV, I could only imagine that the ref was warning that doing it a 3rd time would be ruled a palpably unfair act with an equitable penalty, I'm guessing awarding possession to K at the spot or better.

[JasonTX]

In NCAA there is not a foul for batting it backwards in the field of play. Batting it forwards is a foul. If you are batting it backwards you really haven't gained any advantage because now you are losing yards so that's why it's not a foul. Batting it forwards you now have a potential to gain yards assuming you recover it, thus it's a foul.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

In NCAA there is not a foul for batting it backwards in the field of play. Batting it forwards is a foul. If you are batting it backwards you really haven't gained any advantage because now you are losing yards so that's why it's not a foul. Batting it forwards you now have a potential to gain yards assuming you recover it, thus it's a foul.

The advantage in the present situation is that you might more easily gain possession of the ball by knocking it out of bounds than by trying to gather it inbounds.