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BoBo Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:16pm

Untimed Down?? NFHS
 
:15 seconds remaining in the third quarter. A is going into a very strong headwind

4th and 16 on B's 26 yard line.

A goes for it and attempts a pass. A completes the pass for 6 yard gain. On the play B is called for defensive holding. There is :02 seconds left on the clock.

A accepts the penalty for the defensive holding. 4th and 6 now on B's 16 yard line.

Clock starts on the ready for play. Clock goes to :00.

A now has to run an untimed down??

REFANDUMP Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:26pm

I say no. If the clock would have ran out during the play, they would have to run an untimed down. Since there was time on the clock after the play was over, the quarter would end.

BoBo Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:36pm

By NCAA rules yes. By NFHS no, they ARE rewarded an untimed down.

In NCAA, time must expire during the down for an untimed down.

In NFHS, the rule reads "A period must be extended by an untimed down if during the last timed down of the period,... (3-3-3)

jTheUmp Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:38pm

You're going to have an untimed down.

Take a look at 3.3.3 Situation B, which is basically this exact situation.

Note that rule 3-3-3 says that the period MUST be extended by an untimed down.

BktBallRef Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP (Post 854463)
I say no. If the clock would have ran out during the play, they would have to run an untimed down. Since there was time on the clock after the play was over, the quarter would end.

Nope. NFHS 3-3-3

Rich Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP (Post 854463)
I say no. If the clock would have ran out during the play, they would have to run an untimed down. Since there was time on the clock after the play was over, the quarter would end.

And you would be incorrect.

The foul occurred "during the last timed down of the period." See 3-3-3. Redding covers this exact scenario in his Example 7-33 on page 87 (2012 NFHS version) as well. Extend the period.

Rich Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:41pm

Wow, that was a quick piling on. :D

BktBallRef Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 854471)
Wow, that was a quick piling on. :D

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REFANDUMP Fri Sep 14, 2012 01:01pm

Looks like I'd best hit the book before tonight. You're right.:(:(:(. Thanks for getting me corrected.


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