Need a tee?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by maven

2-24-7

The ball must be in a "fixed position," and lying loose on the ground ain't fixed.

Go back and read 2-24-7 again. All of it.

[HLin NC]

a fixed position on the ground or on a kicking tee.

[Robert Goodman]

By "fixed" I thought they meant stationary, i.e. not rolling -- not that it was like, uh, nailed to something. Would anybody here rule a kicking of the ball not to have been a place kick if the holder was moving the ball somewhat at the moment it was kicked?

[maven]

Originally Posted by Rich

Go back and read 2-24-7 again. All of it.

OK. Here it is:

"A place kick is a legal kick made while the ball is in a fixed position
on the ground or on a kicking tee. No material or device may be placed on the
ground to improve the kicker’s footing. The ball also may be held in position on
the ground or on a kicking tee by a place-kick holder who shall be a teammate of
the kicker. A place kick may be used for a scrimmage kick, a kickoff, a free kick
following a safety or for a free kick following a fair catch or awarded fair catch."

I'm still seeing "fixed position" to mean "on a tee" (with or without a holder) OR "held in position on the ground" by a holder.

Tony (and by implication, Rich) assert otherwise. So far it seems mere assertion with no rule backing, but I won't bet against the world.

[cdoug]

Originally Posted by maven

OK. Here it is:

"A place kick is a legal kick made while the ball is in a fixed position
on the ground or on a kicking tee. No material or device may be placed on the
ground to improve the kicker’s footing. The ball also may be held in position on
the ground or on a kicking tee by a place-kick holder who shall be a teammate of
the kicker. A place kick may be used for a scrimmage kick, a kickoff, a free kick
following a safety or for a free kick following a fair catch or awarded fair catch."

I'm still seeing "fixed position" to mean "on a tee" (with or without a holder) OR "held in position on the ground" by a holder.

Tony (and by implication, Rich) assert otherwise. So far it seems mere assertion with no rule backing, but I won't bet against the world.

It seems as though you agree that it doesn't HAVE to be on a tee, but the last part that I marked ("may") is the part that seems to me to be the part that allows K to kick it from the ground without a holder if they want.

[HLin NC]

Look at the "OR" part. It states "OR kicking tee". That would indicate the kicking tee is the option to the "fixed positon ON the ground".

Forest = Trees

[CT1]

It's not unusual (around here, at least) to see teams "squib kick" with the ball lying stationary on the ground and parallel to the yardlines.

I read the rule to mean that the ball can't be moving when it's kicked.

[mtridge]

Originally Posted by CT1

It's not unusual (around here, at least) to see teams "squib kick" with the ball lying stationary on the ground and parallel to the yardlines.

I read the rule to mean that the ball can't be moving when it's kicked.

By rule in this case would the ball have to be parallel to the sidelines or could it be perpendicular as well?

[CT1]

Originally Posted by mtridge

By rule in this case would the ball have to be parallel to the sidelines or could it be perpendicular as well?

OK either way by rule. But I've never seen a team "squib kick" the pointed end of the ball.

[mtridge]

thats not the only thing you see around these parts in the pee wees. Thats why I keep doing them, helps me learn the rules better.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by maven

OK. Here it is:

"A place kick is a legal kick made while the ball is in a fixed position
on the ground or on a kicking tee."

I'm still seeing "fixed position" to mean "on a tee" (with or without a holder) OR "held in position on the ground" by a holder.

If fixed position and On a tee were the same thing ... then why mention one, put the word OR, and mention the other?!?!?!

Fixed is a simple English word, as you've alluded to. Nowhere in my dictionary under the word fixed does it say, "attached to a tee" or "held in position by a holder". Fixed, very simply, means motionless.

"Affixed" means what you are implying. "Fixed" does not.