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CT1 Fri Sep 14, 2012 07:17am
It's not unusual (around here, at least) to see teams "squib kick" with the ball lying stationary on the ground and parallel to the yardlines.

I read the rule to mean that the ball can't be moving when it's kicked.

MD Longhorn Fri Sep 14, 2012 08:34am
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Originally Posted by maven (Post 854393)
Loose on the ground is not a "fixed position."
What do you think "fixed position" means? Loose (but motionless) on the ground is absolutely a fixed position. Fixed means not moving.

MD Longhorn Fri Sep 14, 2012 08:37am
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Originally Posted by maven (Post 854411)
OK. Here it is:

"A place kick is a legal kick made while the ball is in a fixed position
on the ground or on a kicking tee."

I'm still seeing "fixed position" to mean "on a tee" (with or without a holder) OR "held in position on the ground" by a holder.
If fixed position and On a tee were the same thing ... then why mention one, put the word OR, and mention the other?!?!?!

Fixed is a simple English word, as you've alluded to. Nowhere in my dictionary under the word fixed does it say, "attached to a tee" or "held in position by a holder". Fixed, very simply, means motionless.

"Affixed" means what you are implying. "Fixed" does not.

mtridge Mon Sep 17, 2012 07:54am
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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 854417)
It's not unusual (around here, at least) to see teams "squib kick" with the ball lying stationary on the ground and parallel to the yardlines.

I read the rule to mean that the ball can't be moving when it's kicked.
By rule in this case would the ball have to be parallel to the sidelines or could it be perpendicular as well?

CT1 Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:49am
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Originally Posted by mtridge (Post 854736)
By rule in this case would the ball have to be parallel to the sidelines or could it be perpendicular as well?
OK either way by rule. But I've never seen a team "squib kick" the pointed end of the ball.

mtridge Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:09pm
thats not the only thing you see around these parts in the pee wees. Thats why I keep doing them, helps me learn the rules better.

Robert Goodman Mon Sep 17, 2012 01:00pm
To refine the "fixed position on the ground" language even further, what do you think of this? Player spins the ball on the ground in place on its point like a top and then kicks it. (My sister was able to do that.) Place kick? I think so, if the ball's contact point with the ground isn't moving.


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