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ODJ Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:24am

1st & Goal, or 10?
 
Can't find the answer to this:

Team A, 4th and Goal on B's 28.
A12 throws incomplete pass toward A84. B33 is guilty of defensive pass interference on A84.

From previous spot, enforce penalty half the distance to B's 14, with Team A awarded a first down.

Question: is it 1st & Goal, or 1st & 10?

JRutledge Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:37am

Since the previous spot was on the 28 and half the distance is on the 14, then it would be first and 10. The only way it would be first and goal is if this was somehow overtime. Otherwise, not sure where you would find anything in the rulebook that states this is first and 10 considering you would not have 1st and goal from the 14 without some penalty or overtime like I stated.

Peace

JugglingReferee Mon Sep 03, 2012 04:23am

Canadian Ruling
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 853098)
Can't find the answer to this:

Team A, 4th and Goal on B's 28.
A12 throws incomplete pass toward A84. B33 is guilty of defensive pass interference on A84.

Question: is it 1st & Goal, or 1st & 10?

CANADIAN RULING:

You didn't say where on the field the DPI happens. In Canada, DPI is a spot foul, but with a max of 15 unrestricted yards. And it becomes 1D/10. (It would only become "and goal" if the new spot was inside the 10.) Since the full 15 would move the ball only as close as the 13, it would always be 1D/10 is enforced from the 28.

CT1 Mon Sep 03, 2012 07:18am

FED 2-27-5: The line to gain is the yard line established when a new series (first
down) is awarded. Unless there is a penalty following the ready-for-play signal,
the line to gain is 10 yards in advance of the foremost point of the ball when
placed for the first down of the series. lf the line to gain extends into the end zone,
the goal line is the line to gain.

mbyron Mon Sep 03, 2012 07:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 853103)
Since the previous spot was on the 28 and half the distance is on the 14, then it would be first and 10. The only way it would be first and goal is if this was somehow overtime.

In Ohio, which has its own OT rules, it would still be 1/10 in OT.

Rich Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 853114)
In Ohio, which has its own OT rules, it would still be 1/10 in OT.

Same in WI, where we use NCAA overtime rules.

Robert Goodman Mon Sep 03, 2012 08:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 853113)
FED 2-27-5: The line to gain is the yard line established when a new series (first
down) is awarded. Unless there is a penalty following the ready-for-play signal,
the line to gain is 10 yards in advance of the foremost point of the ball when
placed for the first down of the series. lf the line to gain extends into the end zone,
the goal line is the line to gain.

Easiest way to remember is that "first down" by whatever means achieved -- penalty, new possession, line to gain reached (and not a matter of its being a repeated down) -- is just a short way of saying a new series of downs is awarded, in which case the previous line to gain is immaterial.

ODJ Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:01pm

We went 1/10. New series awarded.

Team B HC wanted 4th and goal. Because, "I've been coaching 25 years and DPI has never been an automatic first down penalty."

That kinda night.


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